Re: If you don't believe in Evolution, then why do you drive an SUV?

Jack May

"Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> donquijote1954 who? wrote:
>> On Jan 8, 9:05 pm, Peacemaker <samto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> god put the oil in the earth for us to use.
>>> God put the animal bones there to test our faith.
>>> Unless god says there is global warming, there isn't.
>>
>> That pretty much sums up the basic belief of many Christians.
>>
>> It doesn't make sense. But, hey, God didn't give us the brain to
>> think.
>>
>> I wonder though why God gave us a brain.
>>
> But, at least at the end, God apologizes to creation for the
> inconvenience.

Sounds like you don't understand evolution but believe in some undefined
creationism.

Our ability to be highly creative in our development of new capabilities
came from a genetic mutation about 55 thousand years ago.

That gene was propagated by evolution. It greatly increased the survivable
rate of people that had that genetic mutation.

Tom Sherman

Jack May wrote:
> "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:fm4575$uf5$2@registered.motzarella.org...
>> Bill Sornson wrote:
>>> nafuk wrote:
>>>> On 7 Jan, 22:56, "Jack May" <jack....@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> "Stephen Harding" <smhardin...@msn.com> wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>> news:Zhxgj.9242$Xo1.4668@trnddc06...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jack May wrote:
>>>>>>> "Stephen Harding" <smhardin...@msn.com> wrote in message
> really seriously by so really, really many" S.
>> I hope I am around long enough to laugh at the collapse of civilization.
>> Foolish humans need to be taught a harsh lesson to learn anything.
>
> People learn the most by solving the problems that confront them. That is
> exactly what we will be doing by developing alternative energy sources that
> solve the greenhouse problem.
>
> Almost nothing is learned by fantasizing punishment for people that don't
> agree with you.

Here we have Exhibit A of human arrogance. To believe that technology
will solve gross irresponsibility is foolish.

People learn from harsh consequence of their mistakes. If there are no
consequences, they learn nothing.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people." A. Derleth

Tom Sherman

Jack May wrote:
> "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:fm45a8$uf5$3@registered.motzarella.org...
>> donquijote1954 who? wrote:
>>> On Jan 8, 9:05 pm, Peacemaker <samto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> god put the oil in the earth for us to use.
>>>> God put the animal bones there to test our faith.
>>>> Unless god says there is global warming, there isn't.
>>> That pretty much sums up the basic belief of many Christians.
>>>
>>> It doesn't make sense. But, hey, God didn't give us the brain to
>>> think.
>>>
>>> I wonder though why God gave us a brain.
>>>
>> But, at least at the end, God apologizes to creation for the
>> inconvenience.
>
> Sounds like you don't understand evolution but believe in some undefined
> creationism.
>
> Our ability to be highly creative in our development of new capabilities
> came from a genetic mutation about 55 thousand years ago.
>
> That gene was propagated by evolution. It greatly increased the survivable
> rate of people that had that genetic mutation.

WHooooooooooooooSH!

DON'T PANIC!

And remember to bring your towel.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people." A. Derleth

Amy Blankenship

"Jack May" <jack.may@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> Bill Sornson wrote:
>>> nafuk wrote:
>>>> On 7 Jan, 22:56, "Jack May" <jack....@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> "Stephen Harding" <smhardin...@msn.com> wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>> news:Zhxgj.9242$Xo1.4668@trnddc06...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jack May wrote:
>>>>>>> "Stephen Harding" <smhardin...@msn.com> wrote in message
> really seriously by so really, really many" S.
>>
>> I hope I am around long enough to laugh at the collapse of civilization.
>> Foolish humans need to be taught a harsh lesson to learn anything.
>
> People learn the most by solving the problems that confront them. That is
> exactly what we will be doing by developing alternative energy sources
> that solve the greenhouse problem.

They sure as hell don't seem to learn anything by preventing problems!

Jack May

"Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Jack May wrote:
>> "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:fm4575$uf5$2@registered.motzarella.org...
>>> Bill Sornson wrote:
>>>> nafuk wrote:
>>>>> On 7 Jan, 22:56, "Jack May" <jack....@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>> "Stephen Harding" <smhardin...@msn.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>

>
> Here we have Exhibit A of human arrogance. To believe that technology will
> solve gross irresponsibility is foolish.

It is a fact of life. If there is a problem that people need to have
solved, there will be people more than willing to solve that problem to make
a lot of money.

> People learn from harsh consequence of their mistakes. If there are no
> consequences, they learn nothing.

Puritans are rather rare these days. Technology is a very large part of our
economy.

Sort of proves that punishment has not been very effective in society, but
making a lot of money with technology has been highly attractive and
effective.

Tom Sherman

Jack May wrote:
> "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:fm4b1q$its$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>> Jack May wrote:
>>> "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:fm4575$uf5$2@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>> Bill Sornson wrote:
>>>>> nafuk wrote:
>>>>>> On 7 Jan, 22:56, "Jack May" <jack....@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> "Stephen Harding" <smhardin...@msn.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>
>
>> Here we have Exhibit A of human arrogance. To believe that technology will
>> solve gross irresponsibility is foolish.
>
> It is a fact of life. If there is a problem that people need to have
> solved, there will be people more than willing to solve that problem to make
> a lot of money.

More arrogance in believe that there will always be a technological
solution to the problem. Foolish human will learn otherwise during this
century.

>> People learn from harsh consequence of their mistakes. If there are no
>> consequences, they learn nothing.
>
> Puritans are rather rare these days. Technology is a very large part of our
> economy.
>
> Sort of proves that punishment has not been very effective in society, but
> making a lot of money with technology has been highly attractive and
> effective.

Pride goes before the fall.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people." A. Derleth

Tom Sherman

donquijote1954 ??? wrote:
> On Jan 10, 12:16 am, "Jack May" <jack....@comcast.net> wrote:
>> "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:fm45a8$uf5$3@registered.motzarella.org...
>>
>>> donquijote1954 who? wrote:
>>>> On Jan 8, 9:05 pm, Peacemaker <samto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> god put the oil in the earth for us to use.
>>>>> God put the animal bones there to test our faith.
>>>>> Unless god says there is global warming, there isn't.
>>>> That pretty much sums up the basic belief of many Christians.
>>>> It doesn't make sense. But, hey, God didn't give us the brain to
>>>> think.
>>>> I wonder though why God gave us a brain.
>>> But, at least at the end, God apologizes to creation for the
>>> inconvenience.
>> Sounds like you don't understand evolution but believe in some undefined
>> creationism.
>>
>> Our ability to be highly creative in our development of new capabilities
>> came from a genetic mutation about 55 thousand years ago.
>>
>> That gene was propagated by evolution. It greatly increased the survivable
>> rate of people that had that genetic mutation.
>
> Have they isolated yet the religious gene? It must come from the "Homo
> Ignoramus"...

So long, and thanks for all the fish.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people." A. Derleth

Jack May

"donquijote1954" <nolionnoproblem@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jan 10, 2:24 pm, "Jack May" <jack....@comcast.net> wrote:
> "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:fm4b1q$its$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>
> > Jack May wrote:
> >> "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>news:fm4575$uf5$2@registered.motzarella.org...
> >>> Bill Sornson wrote:
> >>>> nafuk wrote:
> >>>>> On 7 Jan, 22:56, "Jack May" <jack....@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>>>>> "Stephen Harding" <smhardin...@msn.com> wrote in message
>
> > Here we have Exhibit A of human arrogance. To believe that technology
> > will
> > solve gross irresponsibility is foolish.
>
> It is a fact of life. If there is a problem that people need to have
> solved, there will be people more than willing to solve that problem to
> make
> a lot of money.
>
> > People learn from harsh consequence of their mistakes. If there are no
> > consequences, they learn nothing.
>
> Puritans are rather rare these days. Technology is a very large part of
> our
> economy.

But the solutions are right here right now. The bicycle is a reality,
and if it weren't for all that fear, millions would go out and ride
it.

The bike does not even remotely meet the needs of people in this society.
That is why it is a total failure in attracting people out of their cars.

>
> Sort of proves that punishment has not been very effective in society, but
> making a lot of money with technology has been highly attractive and
> effective.

It's all about money, not technology. The bicycle doesn't lend to
juicy contracts like the hydrogen car.

Nonsense. Its not all about money. It is all about the bicycle being a
total failure in meeting the needs of people.

Jack May

"donquijote1954" <nolionnoproblem@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jan 10, 12:39 am, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
wrote:
> Jack May wrote:
> > "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:fm4575$uf5$2@registered.motzarella.org...
> >> Bill Sornson wrote:
> >>> nafuk wrote:
> >>>> On 7 Jan, 22:56, "Jack May" <jack....@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>>>> "Stephen Harding" <smhardin...@msn.com> wrote in message
>
> >>>>>news:Zhxgj.9242$Xo1.4668@trnddc06...
>
> >>>>>> Jack May wrote:
> >>>>>>> "Stephen Harding" <smhardin...@msn.com> wrote in message


They only got to learn from history and see what happened in Easter
Island. The people there ended eating each other while their gods
watched indifferently...

"The people of Rapa Nui exhausted all possible resources, including
eating their own dogs and all nesting birds when finally there was
absolutely nothing left. All that was left were the stone giants who
symbolized the devouring of a whole island. The stone giants became
monuments where the islanders could keep faith and honour them in
hopes of a return. By the end, there were more than a thousand moai
(stone statues), which was one for every ten islanders (Wright, 2004).
When the Europeans arrived in the eighteenth century, the worst was
over and they only found one or two living souls per statue."

Total crap. Nothing you have said is even remotely relevant to the present

Jack May

"Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Jack May wrote:
>> "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:fm4b1q$its$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>> Jack May wrote:
>>>> "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:fm4575$uf5$2@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>>> Bill Sornson wrote:
>>>>>> nafuk wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7 Jan, 22:56, "Jack May" <jack....@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Stephen Harding" <smhardin...@msn.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>
>>
>>> Here we have Exhibit A of human arrogance. To believe that technology
>>> will solve gross irresponsibility is foolish.
>>
>> It is a fact of life. If there is a problem that people need to have
>> solved, there will be people more than willing to solve that problem to
>> make a lot of money.
>
> More arrogance in believe that there will always be a technological
> solution to the problem. Foolish human will learn otherwise during this
> century.

Well we know what the solutions are now to handle the end of oil. Its just
a matter of doing the work and planning to make it happen. Nobody cares
about your masochistic approach since it is well know those approaches never
work.

>
> Pride goes before the fall.

We are talking about a lot of hard work and lot of money, not pride.

You are talking about sitting around and doing absolutely nothing and just
letting civilization collapse. That is the usual approach of highly
incompetent people and invariable leads to nothing working.

The world is not interested in your preaching of damnation and repentance.
You have absolutely nothing to offer.

Jack May

"donquijote1954" <nolionnoproblem@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Jan 10, 12:16 am, "Jack May" <jack....@comcast.net> wrote:
>> "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:fm45a8$uf5$3@registered.motzarella.org...
>>
>> > donquijote1954 who? wrote:
>> >> On Jan 8, 9:05 pm, Peacemaker <samto...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Have they isolated yet the religious gene? It must come from the "Homo
> Ignoramus"...

We know exactly which gene is the "Jesus gene " as it is sometimes called.
The mutation that caused it occurred between 20K and 25K years ago and
spread to many people.

It is a guess of what it does. It seems to allow leaders to manipulate the
thinking of large groups of people. Very useful in saying we are good,
those people are bad, follow me to kill all those bad people.

Tom Sherman

Jack May wrote:
> "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:fm6ibp$sbg$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>> Jack May wrote:
>>> "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:fm4b1q$its$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>> Jack May wrote:
>>>>> "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:fm4575$uf5$2@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>>>> Bill Sornson wrote:
>>>>>>> nafuk wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7 Jan, 22:56, "Jack May" <jack....@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Stephen Harding" <smhardin...@msn.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> Here we have Exhibit A of human arrogance. To believe that technology
>>>> will solve gross irresponsibility is foolish.
>>> It is a fact of life. If there is a problem that people need to have
>>> solved, there will be people more than willing to solve that problem to
>>> make a lot of money.
>> More arrogance in believe that there will always be a technological
>> solution to the problem. Foolish human will learn otherwise during this
>> century.
>
> Well we know what the solutions are now to handle the end of oil. Its just
> a matter of doing the work and planning to make it happen. Nobody cares
> about your masochistic approach since it is well know those approaches never
> work.

These solutions are not going to produce a decent quality of life for 7+
billion people. Even with slowing population growth, ecological collapse
is practically inevitable.

>> Pride goes before the fall.
>
> We are talking about a lot of hard work and lot of money, not pride.

No, it is pride that blinds you to the limitations of foolish humans.

> You are talking about sitting around and doing absolutely nothing and just
> letting civilization collapse. That is the usual approach of highly
> incompetent people and invariable leads to nothing working.

No I am not. Try to improve your reading comprehension.

> The world is not interested in your preaching of damnation and repentance.
> You have absolutely nothing to offer.

And the world needs more figurative ostriches like Jack May? Stick your
head in the sand of blind faith in miracles.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people." A. Derleth

Tom Sherman

Jack May wrote:
> "donquijote1954" <nolionnoproblem@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:346eeebc-81d0-412c-bd9a-edd7dad73e71@q39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jan 10, 12:16 am, "Jack May" <jack....@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:fm45a8$uf5$3@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>
>>>> donquijote1954 who? wrote:
>>>>> On Jan 8, 9:05 pm, Peacemaker <samto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Have they isolated yet the religious gene? It must come from the "Homo
>> Ignoramus"...
>
> We know exactly which gene is the "Jesus gene " as it is sometimes called.
> The mutation that caused it occurred between 20K and 25K years ago and
> spread to many people.
>
> It is a guess of what it does. It seems to allow leaders to manipulate the
> thinking of large groups of people. Very useful in saying we are good,
> those people are bad, follow me to kill all those bad people.

Anyone who believes anything a "leader" says without independent
verification is a fool.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people." A. Derleth

Tom Keats

In article <t%Ngj.4940$O97.2830@trndny01>,
Stephen Harding <smharding16@msn.com> writes:
> donquijote1954 wrote:
>> On Jan 7, 5:09 pm, Stephen Harding <smhardin...@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>>>George Conklin wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you are concerned with your health, you won't be riding a bicycle. Too
>>>>many accidents per mile.
>>>
>>>Like how many?
>>>
>>>Cite please.
>>>
>>
>> It's just a fear the system plants on you. It doesn't have to be real
>> though. Just enough so people give up bicycles and buy SUVs.
>
> That's a fair point.
>
> However I've come to believe people eschew bicycle commuting
> not so much because it's seen as a death wish, but more that
> such a view makes a convenient excuse.
>
> Let's face it, hopping in the dino-juice buggy can be awfully
> convenient!

And on the other hand, there seems to be a perception among
a lot of people that cycling is just too inconvenient -- that
one must dress funny, "brave" the elements, and risk their
neck among motorized traffic. They don't realize it doesn't
have to be such a big deal.


cheers,
Tom

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