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04-01.-2008, 08:20 AM

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Re: Still no team for Jaksche and Sinkewitz: "Watch out for your license."

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I don't think the expanding protour is about servicing current sponsors. I think it is about widening the net of potential sponsors and spreading cycling around the world (and out of its primarily Euro-centric past).

But the question is whether there would be any new sponsors just because there is one race in the operating zone of the company.

04-01.-2008, 08:27 AM

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Re: Still no team for Jaksche and Sinkewitz: "Watch out for your license."

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Maybe that's the thought, but it's not well thought out IMHO. A better way would be to first attract 'global' sponsors (which would admittedly have exposure only to the European market in the beginning) with the promise to expand the pro tour globally within 3-5 years. A smart UCI would work together with the sponsors on such a project.

If what you're saying is correct, the UCI will first piss off the current (local) sponsors with their expansion to a more and more expensive global (=useless for advertising) pro tour and then somehow try to attract new sponsors? That's not going to work. If what you're saying is true, the UCI seems hell bent on self destruction. The problem right now isn't exactly to get rid of the old sponsors to make way for new ones. The market for sponsors isn't all that crowded.

04-01.-2008, 08:43 AM	#18
Crankyfeet Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: You are here => X Posts: 10,012	Re: Still no team for Jaksche and Sinkewitz: "Watch out for your license." Well maybe I was a little off track with the emphasis I was putting on team sponsors as a major component of the equation for UCI. The big money down the road in starting up and owning any event is the TV rights. The event sponsors and TV sponsors don't have to have anything to do with the team sponsors, but the team sponsors can get in the way of attracting other sponsors (eg. It would be hard to get HSBC as a major sponsor of a China event if Rabobank was a leading team presence). An event in China could have a huge value in TV rights very quickly...compared to starting a new event in the saturated European market. Though notwithstanding the risks for the UCI in starting anything new...one of their biggest risks is obviously getting the teams to play ball on their "show" plans. __________________

04-01.-2008, 08:45 AM	#19
TheDarkLord Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 3,833	Re: Still no team for Jaksche and Sinkewitz: "Watch out for your license." Here is another thought: to what extent are the sponsors aware of the doping going on in the team? Wouldn't the team management try to keep things hidden from the sponsors themselves? Also, one would assume that the UCI pressure to not sign up riders is applied to the team management, while the sponsor itself may not be aware of what is going on. So, the UCI action to cover up their butt by intimidating busted dopers to not spill beans would work as long as there are no cyclists who start talking. After all, it is in the team management's interest to keep the sponsor thinking that everything is clean, and so they would probably comply with UCI to prevent their riders from getting busted. So, what gives? Unless someone clearly exposes UCI's hand in the doping situation, will the current situation will continue?

10-03.-2008, 07:49 AM	#20
cyclingheroes Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 3,450	Re: Still no team for Jaksche and Sinkewitz: "Watch out for your license." Jörg Jaksche: "My first priority is to ride again." http://www.cyclingheroes.info/id1161.html __________________ Cycling news, picture galleries & live coverage www.cyclingheroes.info

10-03.-2008, 11:50 AM	#21
hawkeye87 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 287	Re: Still no team for Jaksche and Sinkewitz: "Watch out for your license." I hate to be cynical about this but do the sponsors really care about doping or about the doping getting caught? __________________ "You miss 100% of the shots you don't take." -- Wayne Gretzsky

10-03.-2008, 02:57 PM

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Re: Still no team for Jaksche and Sinkewitz: "Watch out for your license."

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I hate to be cynical about this but do the sponsors really care about doping or about the doping getting caught?

I think right now they care about hiring someone who would prevent them from getting race invites.

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10-03.-2008, 04:47 PM

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Re: Still no team for Jaksche and Sinkewitz: "Watch out for your license."

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I think right now they care about hiring someone who would prevent them from getting race invites.

Which as we see could be anybody (for instance VDB, but not Millar). So not a very attractive sport for sponsors.

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10-03.-2008, 07:44 PM

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Re: Still no team for Jaksche and Sinkewitz: "Watch out for your license."

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Which as we see could be anybody (for instance VDB, but not Millar). So not a very attractive sport for sponsors.

Despite of that there is still sponsoring because that is cheap.
A good anti-doping program inside a team can be use to support the sponsoring. That can be deterrent for riders, that can be use as prevention, the dopers are caught by the team avoiding a bad publicity.
Antidoping is not a problem when people are using it for positive meaning.

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10-03.-2008, 08:09 PM

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The problem for sponors is the ASO - UCI conflict and bad governing. Completely unreliable. Bad investment. There are other sports which are cheap as well.

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10-03.-2008, 08:29 PM

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The problem for sponors is the ASO - UCI conflict and bad governing. Completely unreliable. Bad investment. There are other sports which are cheap as well.

CH - Can the UCI be taken down? Can it get its head cut off by removing your avatar man and Postman Pat? Can it be restructured do you think? Is it possible for the National Federations to say... "Enough is enough"?

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10-03.-2008, 08:31 PM

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I love ma avatar...

But yes it can. The Belgian federation said on Saturday that they will support ASO. The rumour mill says the days of Pat and Hein are over, its a matter of time. Pat went to far with his threats....

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10-03.-2008, 08:58 PM	#28
poulidor Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,017	Re: Still no team for Jaksche and Sinkewitz: "Watch out for your license." Probably McQuaid is waiting the end of Paris Nice to resign. A such disavowal could not stay in that state. __________________ Let Astana and McQuaid whine !

10-03.-2008, 09:08 PM

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Re: Still no team for Jaksche and Sinkewitz: "Watch out for your license."

McQuaid trying to save his face ?
http://www.eurosport.fr/cyclisme/pa...to1505515.shtml

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The president of the UCI, Pat McQuaid seeks calm in the conflict with ASO, organiser of Paris-Nice. The Irish leader has, however, classified "race to the sun" of "wild race."

The prologue of the Paris-Nice Sunday Amilly (Loiret) has kicked off a test described as a "wild race" by the International Cycling Union (UCi). In a letter to teams and riders before the prologue, the president of the UCI, Irishman Pat McQuaid, warned without presenting a threatening tone. "Enforcement remaining reserved on the subject, I must draw your attention to the implications of participating in a race held outside the UCI regulations," writes Pat McQuaid.

The president of the UCI believes that outside regulation, "the complications, uncertainties and surprises are inevitable." He mentioned the lack of guarantee of participation "according to objective and neutral criteria laid down clearly in advance", as well as exclusion rules of this race decided by the organisers. While acknowledging the "good reputation" of ASO (Organizer of the Paris-Nice) on the organisation, he called "uncertain" the situation with regard to insurance and liability of teams and riders, "in the event of accident or other forms of harm" .

Pat McQuaid also stresses that in the absence of international commissioners (replaced by national commissioners), the various guarantees provided by the UCI regulations are lacking. The rules "may be different from one race to another or from one edition to another, or to change at the last minute," said the UCI adding that "the organiser remains master of the rules during the race and can make decisions according to its most personal interpretations. "

"As far as he is concerned the passport bio, I wish to inform you that its development will be continued within the limits that will be required, especially financially," he says. The letter was seen by several team leaders as a sign of the crisis subsided in the last few days and the threat to suspend the platoon of the Paris-Nice race organised under the aegis of the French Federation.

"It is important that the 2008 season was normal in the sports," summed up one of them. "To do this it was necessary to meet. Consider this Paris-Nice, which everyone wants to run as a truce and discussing sports for not find a comparable situation prior to the Paris-Roubaix on April 13.

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