2006 T-Mob Tour Team... doped

whiteboytrash

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italiano

No problemo, fs.

Jaksche adressing your q on Fuentos motivation…

Spiegel: What type of guy is Fuentes?
Jaksche: He is from a prominent family in the Gran Canaria and places a high value on a big stage presence. Fuentes is one of those sport doctors that is proud when his athletes are winning, because he sees this as his own triumph. He didn’t have a practice, not even as a cover-up. He ran his business out of his apartment in the Calle Caidos de la Division Azul. He isn’t a Spanish hack. He is somewhat of a genius, even if he’s a bit crazy sometimes. He’s one that will run a red light just to see what happens.

And another pass from Spiegel lighting light how Fuentos (and eventually Jaksche) become Fuentos customers…(addendum to Fccyclist 1st question)

Spiegel: Why did Saiz have this money on him when he and Fuentes were allegedly not in contact any longer?
Jaksche: As far as I know, Saiz still owed Fuentes for the 2005 season and was paying him off. Saiz had some problems with his lead rider that switched to Liberty- Seguro at the beginning of the season and had a very bad spring. This rider and his manager, who was my manager for five years, put a tremendous amount of pressure on Saiz. They wanted better medical care, and Saiz agreed. He was in a jamb. The top rider is expensive, Saiz had to justify himself to his sponsors.
Spiegel: Is it possible that you are talking about Alexander Vinokurov and the Manager Tony Rominger? Why don’t you name names?
Jaksche: Like I said, I don’t want to implicate other riders. Saiz was paying off the debt, that’s why everything came to light.

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fscyclist

I think he is a little crazy but that's also what makes him successful. I just don't see the university docs being innovative and risk-taking. The liability is just too high and the fact they are in their current positions means they likely have followed a disciplined career and are unlikely to stray from their current behavior.

Saiz strikes me as someone who wants credit and recognition for his works more than money. That's why I don't think he'll be able to keep his mouth shut forever. He's gotta let the world know how good he is. Ferrari on the other hand has been very good about saying nothing (lately) and staying low key. But his reputation is already established as the 'best' and maybe Fuentes is a little jealous.

BTW I love the way Jaksche spells out everything but won't 'implicate riders'.

What do you think he means by that last statement, 'Saiz was paying off the debt, that’s why everything came to light?' Is he referring to the OP story breaking?

Bro Deal

I think Disco may have very lucky. Fuentes' office in the Canary Islands, Disco's favorite area for training camps, was not searched. The teams' '06 Tour performance was terrible. I think it is likely that Fuentes sent word to have everything in his main office dumped.

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Crankyfeet

Interesting connecting of the dots.

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fscyclist

Do you really think Disco was using Fuentes? I think there's an undiscovered doc (or two) out there still lurking.

Bro Deal

It would explainn why their 2006 Tour was a joke. Fuentes might have been used as infrastrcuture and blood storage.

Why did Amstrong and Co. spend so much time in the Canaries?

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"You are like the wind and I like the lion. You form the tempest. The sand stings my eyes and the ground is parched. I roar in defiance but you do not hear. But between us there is a difference. I, like the lion, must remain in my place. While you like the wind will never know yours." -- Mulay Hamid El Raisuli, Lord of the Riff, Sultan to the Berbers, Last of the Barbary Pirates

fscyclist

I don't know. But I cant see them using someone that would cooperate with other teams and their premier competition (Ullrich and Basso).

Crankyfeet

Hounded by frenchies in Europe, and by musette, saluki and cyclingcyclone wearing full disco kit in America...I'm surprised he didn't go further.

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Bro Deal

Maybe he was being used as Dr. Ferrari's pharmacy. That is how Ferrari worked in the past. He would tell the athlete when, what, and how much dope to take,, but he did not provide the actual doping products.

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"You are like the wind and I like the lion. You form the tempest. The sand stings my eyes and the ground is parched. I roar in defiance but you do not hear. But between us there is a difference. I, like the lion, must remain in my place. While you like the wind will never know yours." -- Mulay Hamid El Raisuli, Lord of the Riff, Sultan to the Berbers, Last of the Barbary Pirates

Wayne666

I think that as well. There were/are almost certainly other networks of blood doping and the one servicing USPS/Disco has not been uncovered. I think they were seriously scared off after OP but got their courage back in time for last year's Tour. Probably the days of whole-team blood doping are gone but I'd be shocked if Contador and Leipheimer weren't up to it last year.

fscyclist

I don't think so because even using Fuentes as a pharmacy would give him insight into the program which I'm sure they don't want. Also, none of the Disco riders (at the time) were implicated. There's got to be someone else.

fscyclist

Agreed.

whiteboytrash

Here's what the Sink said about Hincapie in the latest edition of ProCycling magazine:

PC: Did you really not get any more bags of blood during the Tour ? In the first time trial of that race, pretty much the entire T-Mobile team rode superbly, while many favorites were very poor. How did that happen ?

Sink: A lot of guys rode badly throughout the Tour - George Hincapie for example didn't ride like he had in the previous year. The same applied to plenty of others from Discovery.

PC: Lance Armstrong's partnership with Ferrari was, to say the least, hotly debated, and the Itailian rider Flippo Simeoni said under oath that Ferrari prescribed him EPO in the 19990's. Did none of this concern you ? (in relationship to Sinkewitz partnership with Ferrari)

Everyone is absolutely fascinated by this, but its no where as exciting as they think. Armstrong would have won the Tour without Ferrari, just as Ullrich finished on the podium at the Tour several times before he started working with Cecchini. At the time you're only thinking about your agenda and people should remember that help comes from more than once place.

PC Are you adamant that all got from Ferrari was training plans ?

PS: Yeah, now in hindsight I can give a logical explanation. I mean I couldn't say this at the time. I already had medical support available to me from elsewhere.

- Draw your own conclusions !