German races under pressure

Crankyfeet

Shit, Vaughn Trevi and Chris H would have a field day in here moderating and deleting all the speculative suspicions we've been posturing about.

TDL - I was thinking the same thing. Whilst I could see how they might want to tarnish the TdF to spite ASO, it doesn't make sense that the UCI would have had a hand in entirely creating the current debacle, if all the positive tests were vetted before being allowed to stand. Unless they're prepared to cut off their own nose to spite their face? And be really stupid about it?

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poulidor

Some questions :
Where is the UCI money received by UCI from Armstrong? Why UCI could have accepted that? Is there no ethical problem?
Why there is leak on doping case?
Everyone was closing their eyes before Festina, why UCI didn't open it after? Why UCI comdemning Manzano? Maybe Manzano should have sued UCI on French soil for none assistance, judge of Cofidis concluded that management could not ignore what was doing their riders even if they were not accomplice.

cyclingheroes

The UCI is responsible for the testing during the Grand Tours. The conflict with CONI during this years Giro was that CONI tested Simoni, Di Luca, Mazzoleni and Ricco. The UCI stated that CONI was not allowed to do so because only the UCI is allowed to do the testing during the Grand Tours.

This year it could be different as ASO already announced that they want the French National Doping Agency to do the testing in the future. Starting in 2008.

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TheDarkLord

Okay, so UCI decides who to test, where to test, etc. What happens when a positive result shows up? Is the lab bound by contract to reveal the result only to UCI (who may then choose to allow the lab to make it public)? If the lab was truly independent as italiano was suggesting in the other thread, then the UCI would not quite have the control to institute cover-ups.

poulidor

Lab under UCI/WADA make blind testing so only UCI can normaly reveal the identity of a positive test!

TheDarkLord

Thanks poulidor for the clarification! But what happens in a situation similar to Mayo's? UCI announced that they would send sample C to the French lab for testing. In such a case, the lab would have a good clue as to whom the sample belongs to?

italiano

I corrispond former WADA laboratorio scienziat. He said if he want could guess a lot about who samples owned. Of cause not 100%. Maggiority cover up cases were national body official telling laboratorio lose risultati. Risultati were what it is

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Crankyfeet

Italiano - Why is your english suddenly gone to pot? You had perfect spelling and grammar last week.

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italiano

Amount of vino, keybord/brouser version, time and how lazy is to find English word gramma/checker. I can do well but it takes 3 times more.

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cyclingheroes

That's one of the weak spots.

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poulidor

For B samples the process is different because athletes and his advisor can be present. Difficult to ignore the current situation...
For Mayo's 3rd testing, it was complety particuliar because his B sample had been already opened when he arrived into LNDD.

cyclingheroes

Yep I forgot about that but yes, if the athlete and his advisor are present the lab of course know who he is. With Mayo's second B examination its different as he probebly wasn't around for a couple of weeks (during the time after the B sample was opened for the first time).

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