ANOTHER Mountain Biker Death

Tom Sherman

Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> ...
> You are more full of shit than a Christmas turkey!...

Remind me NOT to attend Christmas dinner at the Strickland household!

--
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excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter

Mike Vandeman

On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:42:28 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
<crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:

>
>"Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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>> On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:37:01 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
>> <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>>>news:u02vk3tj4etnr0hpfhq0e8pmduhrpcpg7k@4ax.com...
>>>> On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:32:05 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
>>>> <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>>>>>news:rqotk3lv6cenup2qjkv3vbk6a259a558oi@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 02:48:48 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
>>>>>> <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You poor, sick bastard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Obviously, I care more about mountain bikers' safety than they
>>>>>> themselves do! YOU are the sick one.
>>>>>
>>>>>His sport is not what killed him ignorant asshole. Indeed, he had an
>>>>>unnamed
>>>>>medical condition that caused his health problem which tok his life,
>>>>
>>>> Fabricating evidence that you don't have again? You have ZERO
>>>> information. In fact, LESS than zero.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Fabricating? Please cite ANY evidence you have that says he died as a
>>>direct
>>>result of riding his bike.
>>
>> I never said that, liar. Learn to READ, then come back.
>
>
>When I was a kid, society committed people like you to mental institutions
>solely because a person could not keep up with his own discussion. Lucky for
>you, society does not commit people to mental hospitals anymore.
>
>Your entire premise is that bike riding has adverse health affects. My
>premise is that the adverse condition(s) that resulted in a heart attack has
>nothing at all to do with riding a bike.

Then you are supporting what I said: mountain biking doesn't provide a
net health benefit. If you could think, you would have known that. I
guess you must be ready for the mental hospital.
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Mike Vandeman

On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:17:53 -0800 (PST), Olebiker <ddurbin@tfn.net>
wrote:

>On Nov 30, 7:53 am, Olebiker <ddur...@tfn.net> wrote:
>> On Nov 29, 10:50 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>
>> > On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:53:31 -0800 (PST), Olebiker <ddur...@tfn.net>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > >On Nov 28, 1:36 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> > >> \Apparently, the health benefits of mountain biking are exaggerated.
>>
>> > >Mike,
>>
>> > >Did you have the same response about the health benefits of running
>> > >when Jim Fixx died?
>>
>> > No, I've never claimed any health benefits from running, and I don't
>> > know that there IS any net benefit.
>>
>> What health benefits do you say were claimed by mountain bikers?
>
>Mike,
>Why didn't you respond to my question? What health benefits claims
>are you referring to?

I did answer you. See above.
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Mike Vandeman

On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:46:58 -0600, Tom Sherman
<sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:

>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>> On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:04:58 -0600, Tom Sherman
>> <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:13:45 -0600, Tom Sherman
>>>> <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 06:10:53 -0600, Tom Sherman
>>>>>> <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ray ??? wrote:
>>>>>>>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> \Apparently, the health benefits of mountain biking are exaggerated.
>>>>>>>>> <snip!>
>>>>>>>> Whoopee. 1.2 million people per annum are killed by cars and this is the
>>>>>>>> best you can come up with? According to my calculator (unless I've
>>>>>>>> slipped a decimal point) that's around 33,000 people A DAY.
>>>>>>> Note that Mike Janelle's death had nothing to do with off-road bicycle
>>>>>>> racing, and was in all likelihood the result of a genetic heart defect.
>>>>>> FABRICATING information again, Tom? You have absolutely no evidence,
>>>>>> just your own speculation.
>>>>> Did I present it as fact or hypothesis? I see Mr. Vandeman is having
>>>>> problems with English reading comprehension.
>>>>>
>>>>>> WHATEVER happens to him obviously has A LOT
>>>>>> to do with his profession, since he spends so much time at it. DUH! If
>>>>>> mountain biking improves health, on average, this shouldn't happen.
>>>>> When did Mr. Vandeman become a cardiologist? Note that Mr. Vandeman is
>>>>> doing exactly what he falsely accused me of - presenting speculation as
>>>>> fact.
>>>> Yawn.
>>> Loss of words when someone points out your errors, eh Mikey?
>>
>> No, loss of interest, when someone says absolutely NOTHING.
>
>That is why I hardly ever read any of Mikey V's posts.

Then why can't you even follow your OWN advice?!
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Mike Vandeman

On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:48:58 -0600, Tom Sherman
<sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:

>Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>
>> ...
>> You are more full of shit than a Christmas turkey!...
>
>Remind me NOT to attend Christmas dinner at the Strickland household!

You forgot the quotes around "household".
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Jeff Strickland

"Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:48:58 -0600, Tom Sherman
> <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>>
>>> ...
>>> You are more full of shit than a Christmas turkey!...
>>
>>Remind me NOT to attend Christmas dinner at the Strickland household!
>
> You forgot the quotes around "household".

"Shit" in the turkey is figurative, shit in you is literal.

You poor sick bastard ...

Jeff Strickland

"Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:17:53 -0800 (PST), Olebiker <ddurbin@tfn.net>
> wrote:
>
>>On Nov 30, 7:53 am, Olebiker <ddur...@tfn.net> wrote:
>>> On Nov 29, 10:50 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> > On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:53:31 -0800 (PST), Olebiker <ddur...@tfn.net>
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> > >On Nov 28, 1:36 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>> > >> \Apparently, the health benefits of mountain biking are
>>> > >> exaggerated.
>>>
>>> > >Mike,
>>>
>>> > >Did you have the same response about the health benefits of running
>>> > >when Jim Fixx died?
>>>
>>> > No, I've never claimed any health benefits from running, and I don't
>>> > know that there IS any net benefit.
>>>
>>> What health benefits do you say were claimed by mountain bikers?
>>
>>Mike,
>>Why didn't you respond to my question? What health benefits claims
>>are you referring to?
>
> I did answer you. See above.

You assert there are claimed health benefits of mountain biking. The
question is, what health benefits are you referring to?




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> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are
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>
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Olebiker

On Nov 30, 8:27 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:17:53 -0800 (PST), Olebiker <ddur...@tfn.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Nov 30, 7:53 am, Olebiker <ddur...@tfn.net> wrote:
> >> On Nov 29, 10:50 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> >> > On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:53:31 -0800 (PST), Olebiker <ddur...@tfn.net>
> >> > wrote:
>
> >> > >On Nov 28, 1:36 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> > >> \Apparently, the health benefits of mountain biking are exaggerated.
>
> >> > >Mike,
>
> >> > >Did you have the same response about the health benefits of running
> >> > >when Jim Fixx died?
>
> >> > No, I've never claimed any health benefits from running, and I don't
> >> > know that there IS any net benefit.
>
> >> What health benefits do you say were claimed by mountain bikers?
>
> >Mike,
> >Why didn't you respond to my question? What health benefits claims
> >are you referring to?
>
> I did answer you. See above.

You wrote, "They claim that there is a net health benefit from
mountain biking. No
evidence whatsoever."

That does not answer my question. What claim was made and who made
it? Who is "they."

Mike Vandeman

On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:34:59 -0800 (PST), Olebiker <ddurbin@tfn.net>
wrote:

>On Nov 30, 8:27 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:17:53 -0800 (PST), Olebiker <ddur...@tfn.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Nov 30, 7:53 am, Olebiker <ddur...@tfn.net> wrote:
>> >> On Nov 29, 10:50 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>
>> >> > On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:53:31 -0800 (PST), Olebiker <ddur...@tfn.net>
>> >> > wrote:
>>
>> >> > >On Nov 28, 1:36 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> >> > >> \Apparently, the health benefits of mountain biking are exaggerated.
>>
>> >> > >Mike,
>>
>> >> > >Did you have the same response about the health benefits of running
>> >> > >when Jim Fixx died?
>>
>> >> > No, I've never claimed any health benefits from running, and I don't
>> >> > know that there IS any net benefit.
>>
>> >> What health benefits do you say were claimed by mountain bikers?
>>
>> >Mike,
>> >Why didn't you respond to my question? What health benefits claims
>> >are you referring to?
>>
>> I did answer you. See above.
>
>You wrote, "They claim that there is a net health benefit from
>mountain biking. No
>evidence whatsoever."
>
>That does not answer my question. What claim was made and who made
>it? Who is "they."

I suggest that you try Google.
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Olebiker

On Dec 1, 1:06 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:34:59 -0800 (PST), Olebiker <ddur...@tfn.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Nov 30, 8:27 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:17:53 -0800 (PST), Olebiker <ddur...@tfn.net>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >On Nov 30, 7:53 am, Olebiker <ddur...@tfn.net> wrote:
> >> >> On Nov 29, 10:50 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> >> >> > On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:53:31 -0800 (PST), Olebiker <ddur...@tfn.net>
> >> >> > wrote:
>
> >> >> > >On Nov 28, 1:36 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> >> > >> \Apparently, the health benefits of mountain biking are exaggerated.
>
> >> >> > >Mike,
>
> >> >> > >Did you have the same response about the health benefits of running
> >> >> > >when Jim Fixx died?
>
> >> >> > No, I've never claimed any health benefits from running, and I don't
> >> >> > know that there IS any net benefit.
>
> >> >> What health benefits do you say were claimed by mountain bikers?
>
> >> >Mike,
> >> >Why didn't you respond to my question? What health benefits claims
> >> >are you referring to?
>
> >> I did answer you. See above.
>
> >You wrote, "They claim that there is a net health benefit from
> >mountain biking. No
> >evidence whatsoever."
>
> >That does not answer my question. What claim was made and who made
> >it? Who is "they."
>
> I suggest that you try Google.
> --
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
>
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I suggest you cite the claims you are referring to. Why won't you?

Mike Vandeman

On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 08:26:48 -0800 (PST), Olebiker <ddurbin@tfn.net>
wrote:

>On Dec 1, 1:06 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:34:59 -0800 (PST), Olebiker <ddur...@tfn.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Nov 30, 8:27 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:17:53 -0800 (PST), Olebiker <ddur...@tfn.net>
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >On Nov 30, 7:53 am, Olebiker <ddur...@tfn.net> wrote:
>> >> >> On Nov 29, 10:50 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> > On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:53:31 -0800 (PST), Olebiker <ddur...@tfn.net>
>> >> >> > wrote:
>>
>> >> >> > >On Nov 28, 1:36 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> >> >> > >> \Apparently, the health benefits of mountain biking are exaggerated.
>>
>> >> >> > >Mike,
>>
>> >> >> > >Did you have the same response about the health benefits of running
>> >> >> > >when Jim Fixx died?
>>
>> >> >> > No, I've never claimed any health benefits from running, and I don't
>> >> >> > know that there IS any net benefit.
>>
>> >> >> What health benefits do you say were claimed by mountain bikers?
>>
>> >> >Mike,
>> >> >Why didn't you respond to my question? What health benefits claims
>> >> >are you referring to?
>>
>> >> I did answer you. See above.
>>
>> >You wrote, "They claim that there is a net health benefit from
>> >mountain biking. No
>> >evidence whatsoever."
>>
>> >That does not answer my question. What claim was made and who made
>> >it? Who is "they."
>>
>> I suggest that you try Google.
>> --
>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>
>> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
>>
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>> - Show quoted text -
>
>I suggest you cite the claims you are referring to. Why won't you?

Why document what we all know to be true?
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Olebiker

On Dec 2, 1:23 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 08:26:48 -0800 (PST), Olebiker <ddur...@tfn.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Dec 1, 1:06 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:34:59 -0800 (PST), Olebiker <ddur...@tfn.net>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >On Nov 30, 8:27 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> >> On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:17:53 -0800 (PST), Olebiker <ddur...@tfn.net>
> >> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> >On Nov 30, 7:53 am, Olebiker <ddur...@tfn.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> On Nov 29, 10:50 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> > On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:53:31 -0800 (PST), Olebiker <ddur...@tfn.net>
> >> >> >> > wrote:
>
> >> >> >> > >On Nov 28, 1:36 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> > >> \Apparently, the health benefits of mountain biking are exaggerated.
>
> >> >> >> > >Mike,
>
> >> >> >> > >Did you have the same response about the health benefits of running
> >> >> >> > >when Jim Fixx died?
>
> >> >> >> > No, I've never claimed any health benefits from running, and I don't
> >> >> >> > know that there IS any net benefit.
>
> >> >> >> What health benefits do you say were claimed by mountain bikers?
>
> >> >> >Mike,
> >> >> >Why didn't you respond to my question? What health benefits claims
> >> >> >are you referring to?
>
> >> >> I did answer you. See above.
>
> >> >You wrote, "They claim that there is a net health benefit from
> >> >mountain biking. No
> >> >evidence whatsoever."
>
> >> >That does not answer my question. What claim was made and who made
> >> >it? Who is "they."
>
> >> I suggest that you try Google.
> >> --
> >> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> >> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> >> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> >> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
>
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>
> >I suggest you cite the claims you are referring to. Why won't you?
>
> Why document what we all know to be true?
> --
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
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> - Show quoted text -

Allow me to quote your original post: "Apparently, the health benefits
of mountain biking are exaggerated."

Are you stating that someone has claimed that mountain biking is the
key to eternal life? If so, who made that claim? Where? When?

Are you stating that someone has claimed that the cardiovascular
fitness derived from the aerobic exercise of mountain biking results
in health benefits? If so, why do you think that one man's death
disproves what medical science knows to be true?

Show me what claim you believe this man's death disputes.

Mike Vandeman

On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 16:27:01 -0800 (PST), Olebiker <ddurbin@tfn.net>
wrote:

>On Dec 2, 1:23 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 08:26:48 -0800 (PST), Olebiker <ddur...@tfn.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Dec 1, 1:06 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:34:59 -0800 (PST), Olebiker <ddur...@tfn.net>
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >On Nov 30, 8:27 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> >> >> On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:17:53 -0800 (PST), Olebiker <ddur...@tfn.net>
>> >> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >On Nov 30, 7:53 am, Olebiker <ddur...@tfn.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Nov 29, 10:50 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> > On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:53:31 -0800 (PST), Olebiker <ddur...@tfn.net>
>> >> >> >> > wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> > >On Nov 28, 1:36 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >> > >> \Apparently, the health benefits of mountain biking are exaggerated.
>>
>> >> >> >> > >Mike,
>>
>> >> >> >> > >Did you have the same response about the health benefits of running
>> >> >> >> > >when Jim Fixx died?
>>
>> >> >> >> > No, I've never claimed any health benefits from running, and I don't
>> >> >> >> > know that there IS any net benefit.
>>
>> >> >> >> What health benefits do you say were claimed by mountain bikers?
>>
>> >> >> >Mike,
>> >> >> >Why didn't you respond to my question? What health benefits claims
>> >> >> >are you referring to?
>>
>> >> >> I did answer you. See above.
>>
>> >> >You wrote, "They claim that there is a net health benefit from
>> >> >mountain biking. No
>> >> >evidence whatsoever."
>>
>> >> >That does not answer my question. What claim was made and who made
>> >> >it? Who is "they."
>>
>> >> I suggest that you try Google.
>> >> --
>> >> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>> >> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>> >> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>
>> >> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
>>
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>> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >I suggest you cite the claims you are referring to. Why won't you?
>>
>> Why document what we all know to be true?
>> --
>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>
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>
>Allow me to quote your original post: "Apparently, the health benefits
>of mountain biking are exaggerated."
>
>Are you stating that someone has claimed that mountain biking is the
>key to eternal life? If so, who made that claim? Where? When?
>
>Are you stating that someone has claimed that the cardiovascular
>fitness derived from the aerobic exercise of mountain biking results
>in health benefits? If so, why do you think that one man's death
>disproves what medical science knows to be true?
>
>Show me what claim you believe this man's death disputes.

This isn't rocket science, but it IS science. You have to look at the
NET benefit. If 50 people improve their health, but another 40 have
serious injuries and 10 die (insert your own statistics), where is the
NET benefit? That represents a net loss. This question can only be
answered by good science, NOT loose speculation. Do you get it yet?
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rhopkins@loainc.com

Again Mike, you open your mouth and remove all doubt, you are remarkably
stupid.

Medical science clearly provides evidence that exercise (usually at least 3
days a week and for a minimum of half an hour, but an hour preferred that
raises the heart rate) has all sorts of positive benefits from improving
mental acuity, improving ones outlook on life, cardiovascular, facilitating
weight loss, etc. The benefits are way to numerous to list here but are
easily discovered by those not so biased.er

Given a sport that has a few million practitioners, there would need to be
deaths on the order of 100,000 deaths per year or more to make a dent in the
benefit. Instead of the handful of deaths that occur every year (less than
20), The majority of injuries that occur are bumps and bruises, where those
injured are back up and riding a day or two later in most cases and those
that do break something and require more time off the bike are back on in a
month or two.

I have been an advocate hiker and runner for 40 yrs, an advocate cyclist for
30, skier for 20, and recently (less than a year) taken up short track speed
skating. My longest nagging injury came from a backpack trip this summer
where I hyper extended my knee on a steep descent - didn't stop me from my
other activities - just needed to baby it as I re strengthened it. My point
is that I have known hundreds of others like me over the last 40 plus years
who engage in all sorts of exercise modes with little more than a few bumps
and bruises - in only a handful of cases (3 to be exact were the injuries
serious - 2 killed by cars while cycling on the road and one suffered a
severe skiing accident last year and is now in a wheelchair).
Statistically, all of these are rare and choosing to stop my various modes
of sport and hide under my bed, would result (probabilistic that is) in me
gaining weight, having my good cholesterol declining (as exercise stimulates
production of good cholesterol), muscle mass decline so that as I age I will
be more susceptible to falling (see studies in geriatric medicine), heart
condition will deteriorate, blood pressure may rise, etc. Yeah if you were
the Surgeon General we would all be fat and I die younger - hmmm, given your
other views, maybe this is a plot by you to wipe out humans.