Thanks, Dubya. $1,600,000,000,000

limerickman

Agreed.

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morelike hypocrisy.

fscyclist

I'm from the mighty country of Sealand and will gladly justify our actions against those damn dutch and germans!!!

http://www.sealandgov.org/history.html

Colorado Ryder

So now I'm blindly defending! Are you guys idiots or blind or just prefer to ignore the evidence presented again. And yes I agree that to lecture others when the same actions have been done is wrong.

Originally Posted by Colorado Ryder
It would have been a good idea if many western and eastern bloc nations not meddled in middle east affairs. Seems that the British, French, Soviets all meddled as well. The British and French were meddling way before 1946.

Colorado Ryder

Again where did I justify any? Where did I say that anyone else has defended such actions? I believe I said no country has the right to lecture. If your going to try and twist my words at least get it right. And please specifically show where I said I justified US meddling in other countries. If you got something that is different from #19 then show it.

Originally Posted by Colorado Ryder
It would have been a good idea if many western and eastern bloc nations not meddled in middle east affairs. Seems that the British, French, Soviets all meddled as well. The British and French were meddling way before 1946.

limerickman

Interesting that you take a speech made by Prime Minister Winston Churchill, on BBC radio, who in the immediate aftermath of WW11, attempted to condemn my nations decision to remain neutral during WW11.

Of course it is clear that you're neither aware of Churchill's past with regard to British activities in my country, or the circumstances of that speech he made.

I'll put forward the reply from our Taoiseach to Churchill speech - as it answers Churchills point and your scurrillous points better than I ever could

It is indeed fortunate that Britain's necessity did not reach the point when Mr. Churchill would have [invaded Ireland].
All credit to him that he successfully resisted the temptation which, I have not doubt, may times assailed him in his difficulties and to which I freely admit many leaders might have easily succumbed.
It is indeed hard for the strong to be just to the weak, but acting justly always has its rewards.

By resisting his temptation in this instance, Mr. Churchill, instead of adding another horrid chapter to the already bloodstained record of the relations between England and this country, has advanced the cause of international morality an important step-one of the most important, indeed, that can be taken on the road to the establishment of any sure basis for peace. . .

Mr. Churchill is proud of Britain's stand alone, after France had fallen and before America entered the War.
Could he not find in his heart the generosity to acknowledge that there is a small nation that stood alone not for one year or two, but for several hundred years against aggression; that endured spoliation's, famines, massacres in endless succession; that was clubbed many times into insensibility, but that each time on returning consciousness took up the fight anew; a small nation that could never be got to accept defeat and has never surrendered her soul?

Mr. Churchill is justly proud of his nation's perseverance against heavy odds. But we in this island are still prouder of our people's perseverance for
freedom through all the centuries. We, of our time, have played our part in the perseverance, and we have pledged our selves to the dead generations who have preserved intact for us this glorious heritage, that we, too, will strive to be faithful to the end, and pass on this tradition unblemished.



Those who joined the British Army, from my country, didn't suffer any punishment whatsoever on their return from WW11.
In fact, the general publics view was supportive of their decision to join the Allies.

At political level, no memorial/rememberance services for either WW1 or WW2
took place because as a nation, we were a neutral in both conflicts.




I'm equating the fact that our Taoiseach signed a book of condolence for Adolf Hitler and 8 years later he also signed a book of condolence for king George VI.

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morelike hypocrisy.

limerickman

By trying to equate the actions of other nations who meddled - as a means of exonerating your country's meddling.
In message 19 - and various subsequent messages.





I didn't suggest that you said that anyone else has defended such actions.

I did suggest that only you, as someone from a nation who has interferred with other nations, has tried to justify what your country has done and is doing, here on this site.

No other member on this site from any country, accused of meddling by you or others, has attempted to justify their countries alleged meddling.
(excet FScyclist and Sealand, of course).

of course if you can provide me with a post where any other member here has justified his country's meddling in other countries - that might help to vindicate you.



Your words, are your words.
They don't need twisting - they speak for themselves.

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morelike hypocrisy.

sogood

I see. Your patriotic duties to defend your country's reputation on an internet forum has resulted in the use colourful language. Guess what words did those American Abu Ghraib prison guards use on their civilian prisoners?

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jhuskey

Tell me you find no irony in this post,in regard to this thread ,that is.

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Crankyfeet

Do work on commission with these guys jhusk? Because I've never spent so much time analyzing an advertisement before, after your request.

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jhuskey

Ok' I will start suppling a discalaimer and instructions. Do not over analyze next step go to the refrigertaor and grab a beer..............

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