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Hello again!
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Hello from a lurker. I have very similar numbers to you (41, 3, 250, 155) and think this thread is better than those about the Pumas or Air Shox. How is the training going? |
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I had a good weekend : was good for 2 x 20 (90%FTP)Fri; 1 x 40(90%)Sat; and 1 x 50(85%)Sun (Assuming a 270 FTP). I was hoping to get outdoors but couldn't squeeze the time.
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Thanks. I am trying to load up on sessions since I am going on a Disney Cruise with my kids next week. I can't imagine that Mickey's boat is going to be the best place to train. Hopefully, there will be a good gym bike or some spin classes. |
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Based on your next reply, can I assume this is part of a block before the Disney recovery, or do you have no trouble recovering from these workouts? I'm quite motivated and believe that I have a large base to work from/on, so I'm trying to get a handle on how much/how often. |
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I was pushing every session to the max for a few weeks there (2 x 20 @ 258-262) and did see some recovery problems. Once I started really focusing on staying within that 85-90 percent range, (at Dave Wyoming's suggestion if you scan earlier threads), I seem to have an easier time recovering from session to session. On my schedule, I am lucky to get more than 4-5 hours per week, so I don't worry as much as the guys who are riding 6 or 7 days per week about "recovering". My "recovery" days are usually outright rest days, or just some vanity upper body workout. If I am riding consecutive days like I did this weekend, I don't do any work at 100% of FTP and try and do a longer interval (40-50 minutes) at 80-85% At 85% of 270 is 230, which seems pretty managable for 50 minutes. I was watching the first half of "Prestige" which just came out on Comcast on-demand so the time was tolerable. My preference would have been to get outdoors on the road for 2 hours at 190-200 for at least one day, but you you do what you can do. I would prefer not to "recover" on the Disney cruise. If I can grab time on spare spin bike, I should be able to do some PE intervals. |
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Really just a bump, but how's the training going and when does the cruise start? |
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Back from the Disney Cruise. I can't say it is conducive to improving FTP. But I did get in a 2 x 20 at 85-90 PE, a spin class, and a one hour session on a Life cycle. The spin bikes were LeMonds and were actually pretty smooth and well maintained. I also squeezed in some runs on deck followed by weight workouts. Despite these workouts, I can't say my watts/kg didn't take a real hit.
As I said before, this is a real world program. Workouts -- interupted by work commitments, kids, and family trips. It looks like the spam may have cleared. |
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You're absolutely right. I have re-estimated my FTP at 270, and working between 85-95% of that (230 - 256) for 30 minutes at a time, and up to an hour or more in a session is very manageable and reasonable to recover from. I just did 4 straight days of SST/FTP work: 2 x 28 @ ~250 1 x 20 on an exercise bike using PE 3 x 20 @ ~240 within a 2:40 endurance ride with an overall AW 210 1 x 28, 1 x 38 both @238, 1 x 18 @228 while watching the Super Bowl with my sons Nothing special about the 8s, I was just riding specific Computrainer courses. Since I've revised my FTP estimate upwards to equal yours, I'm even more curious to hear how your training is going. |
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I am lousy about regularly downloading the data of my PT, but the last week has been as follows:
Sun 2 x 20@ 220 Mon: Lifting: bench press, cable flyes, lat raises, bo rows Wed 2 x 20@ 230 Thur:HS Curriculum Night for 13 y/o-rest Fri: 2 x 20 @ 245 Sat: Lift: gymnist chin up routine, ov press, shrugs, sl deadlifts Sun: 2 and 1/2 hours outdoors, very hilly, 17 mph average, but I need to download the PT for watts. When I download tonite, I can give more accurate figures. And I can say that deadlifting before a long outdoor ride was brutal on my back. I did not realize how much it took out of the hamstrings and how much lower back comes into play. I am trying to stay in the SST range until March when I start hitting l4-l5 intervals. If I can squeeze the time, I am thinking about increasing duration versus intensity, i.e. a few 3 x 20 @ 230 sessiions during February, as opposed to trying to just up the intensity to the 260s |
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Thanks for reading. Sounds like we are on paralell tracks and can push each other through this winter. |
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OK, Kopride, where are you? Time to report back in to your thread and let the other 40-42 year old dads know how its going. I've been really increasing my training time, although I don't think more than 10% of it has been between 9:00 A.M. and 9:00 P.M. Last Saturday, I did 110 km and was off the trainer at 8:45 A.M.!
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Lack of time and a series of illnesses has taken its toll. The week before President's Weekend, a stomach bug levelled me, then I came back from a President's Wknd ski trip with a nasty chest cold. Anyway, Wed was a 2 x 20 @ 230 w, and last night was a lift session. I am trying to fit in another reccovery week of 2 x 20s and then L4 -L5 work is going to assume a greater role. As the weather breaks, i am expecting more outdoor riding as well. |
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It's just not fair when healthy people get sick! I'm planning to get sick in mid-March (see CTL building strategies thread )
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Healthy finally for a few weeks. Mixing it up a bit from the 2 x 20 standbys. Sunday was a 1 x 40 at 200 watts; Saturday I did a Carmichael video that was basically a lot of work between 240 -325. Friday was two escalating hill intervals of 8 minutes each, low cadence, big gear at 300; Wednesday was 2 sets of descending ladder intervals 2 minutes, 90, 75, 60 and 45 with descending rest periods, about 110-115% of FTP. And Monday was some over under FTP intervals of 12 minutes each. Tonite will be a 2 x 20 session for old times sake.
Also, the past month doing a lot of bodyweight training with some kettlebells. Finally mastered a good pistol, one armed push ups, and lots of pull ups. I know weight training is heresy on this forum but I figure that the bodyweight stuff should keep my weight down. I am also planning a FTP 1 hour test this weekend. we wil see if I am coming out of the winter any stronger. |
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