Evangelical Disconnect

Originally Posted by Billsworld

As far pretending that there isnt a gay lobby that isnt tyring to promote an agenda and force it into public schools is beyond turing a blind eye.

Originally Posted by bkaapcke

If homosexuality is a choice, so is heterosexuality. This leaves no support for one leading to more rights than the other. bk

Originally Posted by Crankyfeet

Creationism has as much right to be taught in schools as palm-reading and astrology. Evolution is not a religious belief because it contradicts the Old Testament. Similarly creationism is anything but a science.

I would be surprised if anymore than 0.001% of scientists have the belief that evolution and creationism are theories of equal scientific validity. Is this the spin you are fed in Sunday sermons? Because its obvious you haven't read a science journal or opened your eyes to the opinions of the scientific world. Oh silly me, you don't have to, because you already know all the answers. Hmmmm... I wonder where we would be today if all scientific discovery was discouraged/banished because we already had all we needed in our faith in the Good Book.

Just because evolution contradicts the creation story of the world being made in a week - six thousand years ago, doesn't make it a religious belief. Just as if the Old Testament told us that gravity was caused by angels pulling on everything, wouldn't make Einstein's Theory of Relativity a religious belief either.

The philosophy that you display here is very similar, if not the same, as the attitude that they have in Saudi Arabia with regards to scientific learning. You should visit there and see for yourself the effect of denouncing scientific learning.

Atomic theory and the phenomena of protons and neutrons and electrons are just theories as well. The theory hasn't been invalidated by any empirical studies since its inception. So far it has been 100% effective in modelling physical behavior of materials. And has led to many other findings and discoveries. But no one has ever "seen" a proton or an electron. Not to say a better theory doesn't emerge in the future. Like Newtonian gravity explained everything in the real world, except then Einstein's theory, whilst 99.9% congruent with Newton's, explained phenomena better, so was adopted.

Evolutionary theory has been cross-checked from hundred's of different directions and held-up. Creationism is a story from a historic book that a section of the world's population believes to be the word of God, that has no evidence in nature, and is in fact contradicted in nature.

But what is evident and scares me the most, is that a vast amount of people share your feeling that scientific learning is a threat to Christianity. Nothing is more scary than a fundamentalist backed into a corner. See Islamic terrorism for an example of where it can lead to.

Originally Posted by Crankyfeet

Creationism has as much right to be taught in schools as palm-reading and astrology. Evolution is not a religious belief because it contradicts the Old Testament. Similarly creationism is anything but a science.

I would be surprised if anymore than 0.001% of scientists have the belief that evolution and creationism are theories of equal scientific validity. Is this the spin you are fed in Sunday sermons? Because its obvious you haven't read a science journal or opened your eyes to the opinions of the scientific world. Oh silly me, you don't have to, because you already know all the answers. Hmmmm... I wonder where we would be today if all scientific discovery was discouraged/banished because we already had all we needed in our faith in the Good Book.

Just because evolution contradicts the creation story of the world being made in a week - six thousand years ago, doesn't make it a religious belief. Just as if the Old Testament told us that gravity was caused by angels pulling on everything, wouldn't make Einstein's Theory of Relativity a religious belief either.

The philosophy that you display here is very similar, if not the same, as the attitude that they have in Saudi Arabia with regards to scientific learning. You should visit there and see for yourself the effect of denouncing scientific learning.

Atomic theory and the phenomena of protons and neutrons and electrons are just theories as well. The theory hasn't been invalidated by any empirical studies since its inception. So far it has been 100% effective in modelling physical behavior of materials. And has led to many other findings and discoveries. But no one has ever "seen" a proton or an electron. Not to say a better theory doesn't emerge in the future. Like Newtonian gravity explained everything in the real world, except then Einstein's theory, whilst 99.9% congruent with Newton's, explained phenomena better, so was adopted.

Evolutionary theory has been cross-checked from hundred's of different directions and held-up. Creationism is a story from a historic book that a section of the world's population believes to be the word of God, that has no evidence in nature, and is in fact contradicted in nature.

But what is evident and scares me the most, is that a vast amount of people share your feeling that scientific learning is a threat to Christianity. Nothing is more scary than a fundamentalist backed into a corner. See Islamic terrorism for an example of where it can lead to.

Originally Posted by limerickman

CF : I'm RC and I don't view science as being a threat.
In fact, I see the pursuit of scientific enquiry as a a very valuable addition to mankinds store of knowledge.
For example, we know that the earth is 4 billion years old - according to the Bible, the earth is 6,000 years old.
If you accept the literal interpretation of the Bible - and many do - then in the case of the age of the earth, the Bible is clearly wrong.
Or more precisely it's incorrectly interpreted by those who accept the literal truth.

The great Christian scientist Michael Faraday stated that scientific enquiry and discovery is ultimately an insight in to Gods work.
If it is good enough for a christian like Faraday, then it's good enough for me.

Originally Posted by Billsworld

For me to start posting links and making arguments about what scientists dont believe in evolution and then to have you and everyone else counter would take forever. Do you really think that children cant be taught science without confronting evolution and creationism . In Colleg I took A+P, advanced A+P, nutrition, zoology, knesiology, and biology and had plenty to learn without ever confronting or needing to confront the subject of evolution.( I wasnt the best student either) I also find it odd that the left wing types , cry like babies when they think their rights are being sqeezed, but fail to see that they do the same exact thing. The vast majority of Americans have faith in a creator. You however want to seize their money at gunpoint , distribute it to the public schools and teach their kids that God doesnt exist. All that I proposed in this meaningless discussion was a theory that prevents either side from imposing its veiws on the other. If you think the education system in the US will come crashing down without teaching evolution, you are as crazy as the loons in Portland Maine that are giving birth controll pills to 11 year old girls. IMO most of our students are having trouble dealing with basic reading writing and math. Maybe the top 2-3% of high school juniors and seniors are qualified to deal with the topic of evolution vs creationism. I am sure they can wait another year or two

Originally Posted by Billsworld

I disagree. Creationism is good science and neither evolution or crationism should be taught in a tax funded school. BTW Darwin beleived in creation...well kind of

Originally Posted by Billsworld

Thats a nice theory, but it called Marxism. Wrap it up and call it Scandinavian bla bla bla. Its Marxism or at the very least Utopian Socialism and it doent work. As soon as you remove personal responsabilty from society it begins to crack. If teenagers had consequences to getting pregnant they would get pregnant less often. In the U.S. we put them in programs,give them day care, welfare, food stamps section 8 housing and expect them to behave differently. Funny thing is I have never seen a pregnant teenager in my church. And your right. The Libertarian Party is a bunch of crack pots. They take a bit of what I am saying too far, but in a pinch I would much prefer it to Marxism. The Pregnancy issue illustrates my point again. The left is forcing an agenda into the schools that ought to be dealt with in the home. If you want to go down yet another rabit trail I will give my thoughts on the causes of teen prenancy, but the subject that remains is BKs claim that his personal freedoms are being trounced on by Christians. My point remains that its the left that is forcing an agenda and doing the trouncicng . Christian are on the defense my freind

Originally Posted by Crankyfeet

Billsworld...once you understand that it isn't a communicable disease, and that you and your kids can't catch it or be converted to it, your paranoi will subside...and you will start to live out Christ's big message...that we ALL belong equally in God's world...and deserve acceptance and love, just as the meek and the poor do. The promotion of the acceptance of gay's in society, is bred from eons of discrimination. Much like in days gone by, when African Americans and American Indians and "witches" were officially labeled as lesser, or evil, or less deserving of human respect, gays are still suffering that discrimination today.

Originally Posted by limerickman

CF : I'm RC and I don't view science as being a threat.
In fact, I see the pursuit of scientific enquiry as a a very valuable addition to mankinds store of knowledge.

Originally Posted by limerickman

CF : I'm RC and I don't view science as being a threat.
In fact, I see the pursuit of scientific enquiry as a a very valuable addition to mankinds store of knowledge.
For example, we know that the earth is 4 billion years old - according to the Bible, the earth is 6,000 years old.
If you accept the literal interpretation of the Bible - and many do - then in the case of the age of the earth, the Bible is clearly wrong.
Or more precisely it's incorrectly interpreted by those who accept the literal truth.

The great Christian scientist Michael Faraday stated that scientific enquiry and discovery is ultimately an insight in to Gods work.
If it is good enough for a christian like Faraday, then it's good enough for me.

Originally Posted by Billsworld

In Lexington Mass. , a father was arrested when he went to scheduled meeting at the grade schhol that his son attends. He asked if his son could be excused from a class that taught sex ed featuring gay sex to his grade school son. He was also told that his son would not complete the grade without it. His son is 6 years old. A little Nazi sounding to me..ie , liberal...........And I am the one that is accepting , it is you that wants to exclude Christians from inclusion in your world.

Originally Posted by Billsworld

The vast majority of Americans have faith in a creator. You however want to seize their money at gunpoint , distribute it to the public schools and teach their kids that God doesnt exist.

Originally Posted by nns1400

The Bible does not say the earth is 6,000 years old. That's an extrapolation people make...based on making a lot of assumptions in addition to what they think the literal interpretation of Scripture is.

There are many divergent views by Bible-believing Christians about the creation account in Genesis. The fact remains that the events are in the correct order...and the Genesis account is quite different from every other religion's "myths" about gods and goddesses.

A good website to check out is www.reasons.org which is run by astronomers who came to believe in Christianity through their scientific inquiry, and who do not believe in the "young earth" theory.