Evangelical Disconnect

Originally Posted by Felt_Rider

I agree

In short, if Jesus Christ was a sinner than the whole basis of Christianity is false. If a sinner could die for the sins of others than God would have just picked someone already on earth, but Jesus came as the "spotless lamb" as a sacrifice for all mankind that will accept Him as Lord and be forgiven.

One either believes or doesn't believe.
I didn't believe until God opened my spiritual eyes later in life and now that I do believe (because I am a witness to my own life and what has happened to me since) no argument will sway my opinion and no argument before I accepted Christ as my savior changed my opinion either. The Lord divinely intervened in my life and that is what changed my views so I am in agreement after watching forum debates for years that I have never seen these discussions change anyone's views from a humanistic discussion.

My one comment

Originally Posted by Crankyfeet

This is the quoted word of Jesus Christ himself. Aren't the Gospels the basis of Christianity?

Originally Posted by Crankyfeet

Mark 10:17-18: "And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God."

Matthew 19:16-17: "And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God..."

Luke 18:18-19: "And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God."

Originally Posted by Crankyfeet

In Matthew 11:19 and Luke 7:34, Jesus is called a "gluttonous man and a winebibber" i.e. a glutton and a drunk.

Originally Posted by Crankyfeet

Conspiracy to steal animals: In Mark 11:2-4, Matt 21:2-3, and Luke 19:30-31, Jesus instructs two of his disciples to go into a village - perhaps Bethany. They were to locate a colt tied up near the entrance, and to return with it. If someone stopped them they were to explain that the Lord had need of it....

Originally Posted by garage sale GT

When did Jesus say he wasn't God?

Originally Posted by garage sale GT

"For John came neither eating nor drinking; and they say: He hath a devil.

The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say: Behold a man that is a glutton and a wine drinker, a friend of publicans and sinners."

Way to change the meaning!

You can't please certain critics.

Originally Posted by Crankyfeet

Prejudice based on race or nationality: Matthew 15:22-28 describes an incident between Jesus and a Canaanite woman. Mark 7:25-30 describes the same incident, identifying her as Greek/Syrophenician. One commentary on the Bible explains that "The inhabitants of this area were racially and linguistically connected with the ancient Canaanites."

She begged Jesus to cure her daughter who was possessed by a demon. He first ignored her, but then explained that he was sent only to bring the Gospel to the Jews, not to the Gentiles such as she. Jesus cruelly replied to the desperate mother that it was not right for him "to take the children's bread and to cast it to dogs." i.e. it is not appropriate to take the Gospel, which was intended only for the Jews, and offer it to Gentiles as well -- here described as sub-humans, as dogs. Here, Jesus was following the behavior of other observant Jews in the 1st century AD who would frequently refer to Gentiles contemptuously as "dogs." She quipped back to Jesus that even the "dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table." Jesus relented and, from a distance, cured the daughter of demonic possession because of the mother's faith.

The sin in this case was to treat a person of another race and/or nationality as sub-human, by referring to them as a dog.

Originally Posted by garage sale GT

You said yourself they were from the same race, yet plodded on with your specious objection. Jesus often spoke with parables and metaphors.

Why shouldn't a Jewish rabbi question what business she had asking Him for a miracle? He tested her faith a bit. He did that with Jews too.

Originally Posted by Crankyfeet

There are also cases of him contravening Jewish Law (working on the Sabbath... also him and his disciples eating without washing hands,.....

Originally Posted by garage sale GT

You said yourself they were from the same race, yet plodded on with your specious objection. Jesus often spoke with parables and metaphors.

Why shouldn't a Jewish rabbi question what business she had asking Him for a miracle? He tested her faith a bit. He did that with Jews too.

Originally Posted by Crankyfeet

....entering the Temple in Jerusalem and kicking over the vendors' property)....

Originally Posted by garage sale GT

"Do you not understand, that whatsoever entereth into the mouth, goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the privy? But the things which proceed out of the mouth, come forth from the heart, and those things defile a man."

Jesus came to give us the New Law. That's not a sin. God can change his own religion.

If not being a pharisaic Jew from the first century B.C. is a sin, I guess you've got us.