Russia tests world's biggest bomb

Crankyfeet

Oh and 9202 - while we're on the subject of humility - remember 2003 when we suddenly turned on France for having the temerity to say publicly that they didn't think attacking Iraq was a good idea at the time. 300 years of support for America was effectively forgotten because France were so disloyal not to rubber-stamp our policy of invasion. Remember "freedom" fries.

Anyhow, in hindsight, don't you think we might have been a little hard on them. That if we listened more instead of acting like you do in here when someone disagrees with you, we might be in a different/better situation today. Or are you still of the firm belief that removing the evil Saddam was worth any cost. How about some kind of admittance that we were wrong to publicly lash out at France then. How about some humility.

Anyone with half a brain at the time could see that the decision to invade Iraq was a foregone conclusion, well before the invasion began. The challenge for the government at the time was to find the right lie/spin to justify it to the US people, and to a lesser extent, the UN. The government changed their rationale for invasion at least twice if I can recall as their previous attempts were defused by sound counter-arguments.

The whole Saddam-Bin Laden connection was a doosey. I have no CIA intelligence experience but it was reasonably obvious to me that Saddam was an enemy of Osama. Saddam as a proponent/leader of a secularist middle eastern state, was a direct enemy to Al Qaeda's mission of spreading fundamentalist "Taliban" style Islamic rule. Osama wanted Iraq under Saddam to fail. Believing that because Iraq and Al Qaeda both disliked America meant they were in bed together is as logical as saying that America and Iraq were in bed together (which we were at one point) because we both disliked Iran.

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limerickman

Your country supplied military hardware to Saddam from 1979-1991 : not only was that inaction, it was active support for a dictator!
And speaking of which, if your country is so concerned about oppressed people under dictators - why hasn't it invaded Zimbabwe?
Or Saudi Arabia.
Or any number of nations where people currently live in dictatorships?





Well when someone from France or Germany or any country who supported Saddam comes on here and denies that their country supported Saddam - they'll be asked about it.
But as you claim that your country didn't support Saddam - when it clearly did - you're the one who has to cop the flack.

And in terms of 665,000 people who have died since 2003 invasion in Iraq - it is fair to say that these people died as a result of your country and it's allies invading Iraq and all that has entailed since 2003 in Iraq.



......no other country provides the level of humanitarian aid as the US, that's because may countries far exceed the US in terms of aid to other countries.

My country per GDP and per head of population, donates far more in terms of money that your country.




The fact of the matter is that your country only acts out of self interest.
Which of course, it is entitled to do.

However you seem to be of the view that the USA is the "good cop" to everywhere else's "bad cop".
Let's not try to paint it in to something it clearly isn't.






...............which doesn't corralate with the reality.
I'm sure your average Iraqi wouldn't view the US as being honest and not wishing to oppress people.
I'm sure if you asked many nations in South America if US policy was based on honesty and not wishing to oppress people, they too would disagree as well.

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morelike hypocrisy.

Crankyfeet

OK let me rephrase it. Israel 1955. Israel today. Which is bigger in size?

And I was referring to an obvious remarkable error that you thought "absurd" was spelt "obsurd". It wasn't a typo.

And dream on about playing with the girls at HS, 9202. Talk about revisionist history.

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9202

Amazing, simply amazing and unbelievable.

Crankyfeet

Great counter-argument.

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Crankyfeet

Mark Twain:

"Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it".

I am a firm supporter of the USA. I just think we can do better with our foreign policy. And it would be better for the US.

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Bro Deal

Israel was not attacked in 1967. It launched a sneak attack on its neighbors to steal their land.

It still occupies the Golan Heights, East Jerusalem, and the West Bank. The Gaza Strip is the world's largest concentration camp; it does not have control of its borders. Guards only on the perimeter does equal freedom for the people there. None of the occupied people have the right to vote. You cannot have it both ways. Either the land is not part of Israel, or the people there should have equal rights.

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Bro Deal

Is this sarcasm?

The U.S. currently props up numerous dictators around the world. Propping up dictators is a cornerstone of U.S. foreign policy, and has been starting near th end of the Gilded Age. It is much safer than promoting democracy because the people might vote the wrong way.

Good old Musharraf has received ten billion dollars from the U.S. in the last few years. Look how well that has worked out for Pakastani democracy.

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garage sale GT

The post-invasion occupation may have been underplanned but let's bear in mind that the killing is being carried out by factions as well as by malcontents from all over the Muslim world.

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garage sale GT

Did I say it was?

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garage sale GT

I didn't say we did it to save Chinese civilians, much less even up a score.

However, Limerick's statement that the bombings did not save civilian lives is simply wrong, just plain wrong.

I readily concede, however, that the effect may have been much the same had we chosen a military target.

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Bro Deal

If the U.S. wanted to save lives then they would have accepted Japan's attempts to surrender, which started three months before the Hiroshima war crime. The ultimate surrender terms were what Japan had already offered.

The atomic bombs were dropped to impress the U.S.S.R.

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Bro Deal

Total cop out. The U.S. did no planning. They destroyed the police, the army, and every other institution that provided stability to Iraq. Now to stand back and claim that the killing is not the fault of the U.S. is ridiculous.

The Bush regime is killing Iraqis at a rate that Saddam could only dream about.

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sogood

Pathetic position! I guess Dubya already said it, US troops don't do peace keeping.

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