Russia tests world's biggest bomb

limerickman

In your country, perhaps.

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morelike hypocrisy.

sogood

Funny that. Same can be said of every country on this planet.

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nns1400

And apparently France...though I'm sure everything written in all other countries is completely objective...

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This stuff is just crap...Hitchy

Crankyfeet

So every time someone throws a stone over their wall, it justifies expanding their territory? Obviously I made-up a fictitiously exaggerated scenario to make a point.

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limerickman

Well they trotted out the excuse that the Japanese would never surrender so that is why they dropped the first bomb.........I don't know what excuse they gave for dropping the second bomb.
Shameful period in the history of the USA.

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.."But finally the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in cycling, the cynics and the sceptics. I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. [I]I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. You should believe in these athletes, and you should believe in these people. I'll be a fan of the Tour de France for as long as I live. And there are no secrets" - this is a hard sporting event and hard work wins it - Armstrong 2005 TDF
morelike hypocrisy.

limerickman

..........well France at least had the intelligence to quit Vietnam before they got booted out.
Objectively speaking, of course.

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.."But finally the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in cycling, the cynics and the sceptics. I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. [I]I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. You should believe in these athletes, and you should believe in these people. I'll be a fan of the Tour de France for as long as I live. And there are no secrets" - this is a hard sporting event and hard work wins it - Armstrong 2005 TDF
morelike hypocrisy.

sogood

After Dien Bien Phu, they effectively got booted out.

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limerickman

Correct.
The point being that they got out without incurring needless loss of additional lives in a campaign that was doomed to failure, in 1954.

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.."But finally the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in cycling, the cynics and the sceptics. I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. [I]I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. You should believe in these athletes, and you should believe in these people. I'll be a fan of the Tour de France for as long as I live. And there are no secrets" - this is a hard sporting event and hard work wins it - Armstrong 2005 TDF
morelike hypocrisy.

Crankyfeet

Correct. Though not everyone has the same toys and ammunition at their disposal as the US does.

I wasn't isolating America. Just highlighting the public's perceived notion of changing democratic government (and presidents) and the reality of unchanging public servants behind the scenes with agendas and the ability to mask/spin their activities.

I think the series "Yes Prime Minister" in the UK in the early eighties was excellent (and hilarious) at showing these machinations of government. Even Maggie T. used to like watching it I think.

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nns1400

According to this forum, every period in the history of the USA is shameful.

That period was back when we fought wars to win them. The "excuse" was that Japan did not surrender, even after getting hit with the first nuke. I guess it was also wrong that we carpet bombed Japan and Germany....you just seem to think it's worse when you kill that many people at one time instead of over longer periods of time.

Now, though, we don't fight wars like that...innocent people might have been killed by blowing Fallujah off the map to begin with, so instead, innocent people get killed day in and day out, dragging on forever. Instead of crushing Iraq, taking it over, and forcing "democracy" on them until they got the hang of it, as we did to Japan, we are trying to be culturally sensitive while fighting a war.

Not a big fan of war, don't get me wrong. But either fight one or don't. Personally, if the US is going to take the rap for being imperialist they would do better to act more like it...just my opinion of course...didn't read that in any textbook or anything...BTW, Lim, don't worry about those school books..all my history teachers were flaming liberals...they hate America as much as some people here do..

I'm going out for the evening so if (when) you start flaming me and I don't respond, I'm not hiding...

P.S. Go easy on me Cranky, or you'll never see any of that whipped cream...

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This stuff is just crap...Hitchy

limerickman

That's a matter of opinion.



You didn't win world war 2 : the Allies won WW2.



I dispute the fact that there would have been a greater loss of life if America had not dropped two nuclear bombs on the civilian population of Japan.

Your claim that there would have been more loss of life if those two nuclear bombs had not been dropped, is spurious.



Innocent people have been killed in Iraq by your country actions.
There's no "might have been" about it.

Your country, along with the "coalition of the willing" has killed over 665,000
Iraqi's while trying to "impose democracy" and occupying another sovereign nation.





Well if you read your history, you'd know that country's with imperialist tendencies invade and occupy other sovereign countries.
(New England) Textbooks or not.

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.."But finally the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in cycling, the cynics and the sceptics. I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. [I]I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. You should believe in these athletes, and you should believe in these people. I'll be a fan of the Tour de France for as long as I live. And there are no secrets" - this is a hard sporting event and hard work wins it - Armstrong 2005 TDF
morelike hypocrisy.

Crankyfeet

Since I don't think I'm ever going to see that whipped cream...I will just continue regardless.

Truth is - America has a great history. The efforts of the Founding Fathers to establish a great system of limited, accountable government is incredible, considering the environment of the times over 230 years ago. There are many other great examples. And great leaders like Lincoln. America is truly a great country. I wouldn't be living here if it wasn't.

But IMO the reality of Americas history and the merits of current policies and actions is somewhere between the "anti's" and the "for's". Those not living and growing up in the US are frustrated at America's attitudes and international clumsiness, mostly because they have little power themselves to do much about it. And they focus on all the weaknesses that the average American is either naive about or doesn't want to know about. And they see everything America does in the context of how it affects them and perhaps don't see it as clearly from the eyes of the US.

And a lot of Americans have gone through school being taught that America is great and wonderful and can do no wrong. Though a lot of other countries probably do the same to their children.

The reality is that its somewhere in-between IMO. Though that isn't anything profound to state. Having lived here, I can say that the US is a great country with amazing people, from a wide variety of viewpoints, who have freedom to speak and live the life they choose. It is a lot different here in terms of lifestyle and attitudes than the average foreigner would assume watching Hollywood movies and the "Friends" TV show.

So, NNS, it looks like everyone here thinks the US sux, but I don't think so. They are focussing on some cases where they see the Emperor seems to have little clothing. And they are frustrated at their own countries' lack of influence, so criticizing the US may give some solace.

Now LIM on the other hand might actually hate the US, cause he sounds like a commie to me.

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garage sale GT

Limerickman logic: 665,000 are dead, therefore the US killed them.

When someone says "Shiite Militia" or "Sunni Militia" these are not grand old regimental titles of US military formations. They are IRAQUIS who are digging up Saddam's old weapons and destroying each other.

By the way, how many Chinese civilians were the Japanese killing in, say, an average week in August of 1945?

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Crankyfeet

Yes...Japan was a visciously sadistic oppressor in Asia...but two wrongs don't make a right.

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