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Old 18-09.-2007, 10:42 PM   #16
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That's just for P*wercranks users

Seriously, the only caveat is that it on a low inertia ergometer like the CT, I can't generate nearly as much power as outdoors or on a high inertia ergometer.


I find that ergometer mode takes care of pacing and motivation issues. I had a lot of trouble getting my power up on a course with wind gusts, lots of turns, and rolling terrain if my legs weren't really fresh. In other words, PE was high relative to power output.


I prefer using long interval power (3x20) as an estimate of FTP as well but this method is only available when I'm doing intervals at 100%. If I'm doing SST the numbers don't really give me an idea of what my FTP might be.

Time for my 6x20s on the erg
Sadly I've only got access to my teeny-flywheel CT but I find that, using gearing that keeps my wheel speed up around 40kph or so, it feels just fine. When I use 3D courses, I tend to avoid those with steep grades as the feel degrades to that of slogging thru mud when my speed drops much below 30kph. I believe that is mostly a function of the low-inertial flywheel.

I use ergo mode an awful lot and as you say it certainly covers the 'focus' bit quite well. Let your cadence drop only a few rpm and it'll quickly remind you to pay attention . I think it can also help show you how hard/long you can push the pain barrier w/o imploding. And in an environment safer than a busy road should you start weaving around, getting blurred vision, etc.

Maybe some day, I'll get around to writing up my "MILOS" approach to training. Not that anyone would read it of course .
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Old 18-09.-2007, 11:00 PM   #17
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...Maybe some day, I'll get around to writing up my "MILOS" approach to training. Not that anyone would read it of course .
I'd definitely read it Rick. Between your history of good solid advice posts and your incredible FTP gains over the last couple of years I suspect there would be some great stuff in that document!

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Old 19-09.-2007, 12:27 AM   #18
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I'd definitely read it Rick. Between your history of good solid advice posts and your incredible FTP gains over the last couple of years I suspect there would be some great stuff in that document!

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thanks Dave but I'd rather read yours .

Meanwhile, here's a good link with some commentary on indoor training starting around page 36 that folks may find worthwhile.

http://www.freewebs.com/velodynamics2/rcgtp1.pdf
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With lots of fans and a 55 lb flywheel, my power indoors is 20W higher for 3x20s compared to on rolling terrain.
What trainer do you have that has a 55lbs flywheel? Is it a custom job?
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What trainer do you have that has a 55lbs flywheel? Is it a custom job?


I have a Velotron which is best described as an ergometer than a trainer.

Two things I can't stand are low inertia trainers and tire-roller interfaces so I only considered "trainers" with big flywheels and direct chain drive (spin bikes, CycleOps PT300, Velotron, etc.).

I rode a CT once during a fitting and it was hard to maintain FTP for just a few minutes.
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