Why does every one hate Greg Lemond?

knonfs

Don't forget that he was asked to NOT race the TDF (1975?), just to bring the public interest back, it seems people were tired of seeing him win year after year.

knonfs

Let me ask you this question, how many other races beside TDF did L A raced; while he was on his "PEAK"?

It's hard for me to claim that he is the best of the best in the cycling sports, when he ONLY trained fir the TDF, all year long. While others were racing and supporting their teams.

tasr

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Originally Posted by wolfix All this "coulda" , "woulda", and "ifs" about a riders career is wasted internet ink. Lemond won 3 TDF's. Armstrong won 7 and retired at the top of his game.

Well said!!!!!!!!


Looking at ones accomplishments is the right thing. Why does the world want to live in chaos by focusing on the negative? Maybe I am wrong, but nobody here has won a TDF.

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Cycler6n

Nothin wrong with a little debate :P And I agree with you

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Coke Zero

Here's some LA trivia: LA was on an episode of Overhaulin' and when he was being duped into the scheme, one of the show's host played an inspector or something and tried to get LA to sign a yellow jersey. LA replied a bit rudely that he wouldn't sign it because it would just be sold on ebay. At the end of the day though, Lance...score one suped up Camaro (courtesy of Sheryl Crow), host...still zero.

tasr

You mean Lances 1970 GTO?

Greg Lemond truly fought to win his Tours. I don't think he nearly had the team that Lance put togeather.

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Coke Zero

I stand corrected. Won't be the last time...

azul_fahrrad

From what I have seen and heard, Lemond is a bit whiny and does seem to carry some luggage but then most of us do.

Is there any substantive evidence that Armstrong or Fignon cheated?

classic1

With Armstrong there is plenty of circumstantial evidence plus those EPO tests from 1999 that weren't done under appropriate testing procedures. Fignon put in two positives during his career IIRC.

azul_fahrrad

Doing a Google search I found information about Fignon but it appears that he did not dope untill after he had passed his prime, perhaps is was a desperate attempt to recapture what was lost or extend a career that was already over.

Reading about some of the circumstantial evidence and the EPO tests involving Lance, it sounds more like sour grapes than hard evidence.

If Pro Cycling really wants to clean up the sport than they really need to clean up their testing standards and protocols. It seems what is or is not a positive highly speculative depending on which lab is doing the testing, who the rider is and what country the lab is in.

A French news paper testing old B samples of a racer when the country and paper have both shown a clear bias against the rider is hardly evidence..

A rose by any other name is still a rose. A positive in one country should be a positive in any other country. If the protocols are not strictly adhered to, the benifit of the doubt should go to rider.

That's my two cents, let me know if I owe you change.

Bro Deal

A French newspaper did not test the samples. They were tested by a WADA accredited lab. All samples from the '98 and '99 Tours were tested anonomously.; the lab had no idea who each sample belonged to. A couple years later the newspaper was able to link six of the positives to Armstrong because Armstrong gave the UCI permission to supply a reporter with his doping forms, which contained the codes used the label samples. Sounds like evidence to me.

Fignon is one of the few riders who had the guts to stand up straight and tell people what he thought about doping. He said, "I did what I did and took what I took. I'm the one who will have to live with the consequences," or something to that effect. Surely a lot better than the sniveling denials we get today.

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azul_fahrrad

Ok, I guess I am a little slow.

Why does WADA keep urine samples after they finish testing? Sounds expensive considering how many test are done and the number of riders. It also sounds very gross.

If WADA did the testing and there was PED's, why was Armstrong not nailed to the wall way back then?

Bro Deal

Because EPO could not be detected in 1999. The UCI only started testing for it in 2001. Up to that point you were free to use EPO and just monitor your hematocrit to make sure you did not go over the 50% level.

As to why they keep the samples and for how long they are kept, I don't know.

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