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How much did your power meter help your improvement?

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Old 05-08.-2007, 08:01 AM   #16
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i had a polar before an srm and to be honest the lack of accuracy and real investment meant that i didnt take the whole power thing very seriously, i hadnt made the effort to study power specific workouts for example. result... no real improvement, power meter was just another metric.

but on getting more serious i started to read about power specific workouts especially wrt intervals, even had a vo2 max test and made efforts to undertand the relation between vo2max, threshold power, etc. result... rapid improvement, noticably stronger (or should i say less death like) experiences in road races.

conclusion...it was the different aproach to training that made the difference. but then you cant change that aproach without the tool itself, so i owe it to this equallly.

and as to speed of improvement and this relative to others...well i find that if and when i get serious i can make significantly faster advances in form than they seem to on the kind of basic apreciation of training methods that i had a few seasons back.
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Old 08-08.-2007, 11:10 AM   #17
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I've been through a number of significant detraining phases over the years and I can't say PMs have helped me reach a higher % of genetic potential than I did without one. What they have done is keep me from overdoing it when I very likely would have (and did) before and to get from point A to point B in somewhat less training time than without.

However the 28 year old me with an HRM and an iron will would still kick my PM stylin 47 year old ass without breaking a sweat.
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Old 08-08.-2007, 11:20 AM   #18
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I've been through a number of significant detraining phases over the years and I can't say PMs have helped me reach a higher % of genetic potential than I did without one. What they have done is keep me from overdoing it when I very likely would have (and did) before and to get from point A to point B in somewhat less training time than without.

However the 28 year old me with an HRM and an iron will would still kick my PM stylin 47 year old ass without breaking a sweat.

Thanks! So...does that mean I can have your power meter?
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Old 08-08.-2007, 02:57 PM   #19
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My powertap gave me the feedback I need to keep me motivated and to really see the gains I made. I did sell it however. I will buy another one, once I reach a certain goal of mine...which is quite a loftly goal, but something I believe is attainable. Once I hit that goal, the powermeter I will then get will show some real watts.
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Old 08-08.-2007, 11:28 PM   #20
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Just wondering a few things for those with power meters:

1. How much did it help you progress and in what amount of time?
I'd ridden seriously for years albeit with some breaks due to heavy work demands. Rode about 10,000 km in 2000, 2001 and probably 15,00o in 2002. Good results in local TT's but I wasn't setting any PB's (from the mid 90's).
Got a CT in fall 2002 and did my first tests on it. I hadn't taken any e/o season break and by my standards was riding well.

Fall 2002 FTP 325W

2003 FTP 350W
2004 FTP 370W
Spring 2005 FTP 380W (then had a bad leg problem)
Aug. 2005 FTP 275W ( )
2006 FTP 350W (long rebuild then plateau all season)
2007 FTP 400W (best year-year increase excepting injury)

As a sense check to performance on the road: in 2002 I rode an average of 20hrs/wk in-season and given my power/mass and the terrain here averaged about 31kph for longish weekly rides. That sort of avg. speed hadn't changed for years!

Last week I was pried away from my trusty CT for a week vacation o/o town and rode 'old-style' - about 4hrs/dy & pretty much as hard as I could tolerate given the distance, terrain etc. Result: an average speed for the week of 34.0 kph or 10% faster than I used to ride.

Now since my FTP is up ~23% since 2002 that may seem low but the power/speed relationship isn't linear. At regular r/b speeds and with hills etc. I've found a simple lumped parameter exponent of 2.2 works well here to predict power changes vs. speed. And 110%^2.2 is .... 23% Funny how the math does work out at times.

So the increase in FTP is strongly correlated to long ride performance .. and of course to 20-40k TT performance.

I attribute most gains to the CT and my typical 6+ months yearly of 5-6 workouts on there. On the road, I use the power-meter to log everything but I don't use it actively on the road to guide my riding or racing.



2. Was there a big jump in ability in the first some-odd months and then later much less?
I guess I'm a slow but steady gainer type and starting at age 39 probably influences that. I'm quite happy with every 5W increase.

3. Comparing to the improvement of others around you without power meters, did you progress more?
That's hard to say. The younger guys just seem to get stronger by waking up in the morning!!!

4. Did you progress more due to the power meter or specific workouts you started after you got it? (e.g. did you get it, not have much progress, then discover some power-meter training program and that gave you a boost?)

Over the past year, I've made my best progress ever and I attribute that to the plan rather than the PM .. but I wouldn't have a plan w/o the PM so it's a bit circular isn't it?


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Old 13-08.-2007, 07:17 PM   #21
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As a coach and a rider it has been an amazing asset. I am stoked how I can fine tune training. Only downside is I know exactely how crap I am
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Old 13-08.-2007, 09:29 PM   #22
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Last year I trained by mostly racing and group rides.
This year I've got an Ergomo and the HunterCoggan book and followed it.

Results:
Road race results were much poorer than last year. Not in the top 10 much.

However TTs show improved times. I have dropped my 26.5m TT time by 1.5mins compared to last year (similar conditions, same bike).

With better pacing strategy I've also become 1 minute faster over a 7 mile circuit.

I believe this is because I've not done group endurance rides and not done hard chain gangs. I've been doing a lot of FTP work instead (less time training). As a result I've got better at TTs but the hill sprints have suffered and there is nothing left in the tank at the end of long races due to lack of endurance.

A better plan/ coach might have solved that issue.

At least I am able to see the Wattage gains, however they have not been significant, perhaps only 5% which I could put down to equipment error/ testing error. I've found it disappointing as there is of course no quick fix to getting faster and I've had to realise that I'm genetically middle of the road.
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Old 13-08.-2007, 11:39 PM   #23
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I just won a track state championsip ( while injured) . Qualified 1st in masters 2nd overall. I live 5 hrs from the track and have only been to the track 3 times this year. BTW , I am 45 and have been riding for 3 years , racing for 2. Have owned a PM for 2
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Old 14-08.-2007, 05:33 AM   #24
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1. How much did it help you progress and in what amount of time?

This is a challenging one to answer. I started using an SRM in Feb of this year. When I started my FTP was ~220W and I'd been training (SST, 2x20, etc) regularly since November - mostly on my rollers. My FTP is now ~250W. I had made it to 235W and plateaued for a while. With some of the keen insight of those on this list I was able to break through the plateau. I also found that I was naturally "better" in some areas than others (5 min power for example). Knowing this from my training with a PM I was then able to focus more on my weak spots (FTP).
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2. Was there a big jump in ability in the first some-odd months and then later much less?

The PM doesn't make you faster. It's what you do/interpret with the data gathered from using the PM. Everyone has a different learning curve and I believe that ones' improvement strongly correlates to ones' learning curve.
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3. Comparing to the improvement of others around you without power meters, did you progress more?

I think that you need to look at this from another angle. A PM won't necessarily make you x% better than training by HR or whatever. If you're already at, or near, your genetic potential via training by HR then a PM isn't going to make you that much better. A PM will help to make the vast majority of us who better more quickly than by training by HR (assuming you and/or your coach know what to do with the data).
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4. Did you progress more due to the power meter or specific workouts you started after you got it? (e.g. did you get it, not have much progress, then discover some power-meter training program and that gave you a boost?)

I had been using speed as a proxy for power for several years on my trainer so I would say that it's more from working the data from the PM.

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Old 22-08.-2007, 06:03 AM   #25
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Thanks! So...does that mean I can have your power meter?
I have been thinking about selling it....
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Old 23-08.-2007, 05:48 AM   #26
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I wanted to focus on my sprinting with breaking it down in parts.

1. Weightlifting
2. High/Low Rpm sprints
3. Repetition
4. Track related sprints

My first sprint was about in 900 ish watts range. The most recent personal best was 1599 watts.

My powermeter has helped me in a way nothing else would have ever. The coach I had was one of those big parts in getting my watts improved though.

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