Lying - now on the banned list!

alienator

Oh? And how is it that you know it's true? Because you were taught that at a church? Because it's in the Bible?

Again, you have faith. That's fine: everyone has faith in something. Thinks that are true, however, are only verifiable by facts. You have no facts.

Don't preach here. Go to church for that. Leave people of other beliefs alone.

Bro Deal

Uh-huh. As Carl Sagan was fond of saying, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." I don't see any evidence at all, let alone the extraordinary kind.
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JohnO

Chicken didn't just 'tell a lie', he lied about his whereabouts, in a situation where his location was critical. He was considered a contender to win the Tour, so he had to know that he would be subjected to scrutiny. What he did wasn't just bad, it was just plain stupid.

More than that, he embarressed his employer publicly. Leading the TDF, and the spectators were booing him. He embarressed the most prestigious race in cycling publicly. And his lie makes him look like he's hiding something.

He had to go. Hats off to Rabobank for having the cojones to do the right thing, for the good of what is left of the sport. If we have to make an example out of a couple of stars, so be it. They know the rules, they know what will happen if they don't follow them. And now, they know that wearing the MJ won't protect them. Painful, but necessary if cycling is to continue as a professional sport.

It's a safe bet that next year's contenders will have their ducks in a row.

Cycler6n

Christian faith isn't about facts, it's putting your faith/trust in Christ, not looking for hardcore facts, and believe me there out there. Christians believe salvation is knowing your a sinner and admitting it to God, believing Christ is God, and that He died and rose again to pay for our sins, and accepting Him as your Lord and saviour. thats putting all your faith and trust in Him, just trusting that His death pays for your sins, so, in a nutshell, faith.

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alienator

Oh? What facts are there, exactly, that prove the existence of your particular God, eh? Give 'em up, 'cuz they'll be the first in the history of man, to be ever revealed.



No shit? Hmmm. You didn't like it when I called it faith earlier. Again, you should take your prosthelitizing somewhere else.

Cycler6n

A good example of my God's existance is there are no mistakes in the Bible, not one, nothing contridicts itself, or is in there for no particular reason, and it all adds up, makes sense, and is useful, and now that I do look at what you had said about faith, i see where I made a mistake, you said it was belief thats not necessarily fact based, I apologize, my bad, I do agree with you on that, to a point, you said a lack of evidence, some things do have a lack of evidense, but some do not, some are provable, but some just rely on faith. So I apologize again, I missread it.

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mydaughterchili

not so sure of that one....
Noah was 500 years old when he fathered his first child (Genesis 5)
Moses had to wear a veil because talking to God made his face glow (Exodus 34)
God doesn't want anyone near Him who sweats (Ezekiel 44);
Jesus' death triggered an invasion of Jerusalem by zombies (Matthew 27);
God is green (Revelation 4);
Jesus' mother is the planet Venus (Revelation 22).

But I agree with you Cycler6n. I have faith and I believe in God, His son Jesus, and the Virgin Mary. Read Sermon on the Mount especially the Beatitudes. It's truely a beautiful example we should all follow regardless of religion.

As for alienator he is the Ignatius Reilly of this site...... Let me guess he's going to call me a princess or something similar.....

willocrew

Its a witchhunt I tell you. A bloody witchhunt.

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KellyT

You're being ironic are you? Either that or you just haven't read it.

Not, not, not, true.

KellyT

It does seem on the face of it like 'over regulation', but really I suspect it's something far more serious at issue. But it's only the lying part that can be proven. You can only take action one the things you can prove.

The thing that annoys me, is that every sport has a 'drugs problem'. Only Cycling is forcing itself onto it's own sword over it. If every other sport took the same, or equal actions, the pressure would be off cycling because the news reports would be every 6 minutes. it would be like the approach the French have to their politician's indulging in 'infidelities'. It happens such a lot they can't be arsed deeming it news worthy.

As a viewer and fan, there isn't any doubt that I would have enjoyed the race more without the drugs stories coming to light. Unfortunately, we need to get rid of drug taking. Even if I don't mind them all taking drugs and making their performance better, we have to remember that this shit actually can kill people too. Rasmussen was (allegedly) taking animal med's. Explains why he's so fiercely ugly. The young riders that want to put their health first are under huge pressure NOT too. Unless there is change.

On the commandments point, it wouldn't work. Some of them would obviously be Jewish and they have about 620 I think. Gosh, I bet 'thou shalt not cycle' might even be in there too ....

JohnO

There is one silver lining. It's grasping at straws, but that's about all we have right now.

Attention is now on doping, and the tests are getting better. The other less regulated sports are sitting ducks, what with the expert doping doctors being under intense scrutiny. There is also great fame and fortune to the journalist who can expose a top star in one of the more popular sports.

Sooner or later, that will happen. When it happens, cycling may be looked to as the sport that learned to clean itself up.

batjerk

I would have to seriously doubt that. In fact, I say, God has to have at least one Himself! Probably a minimum of two: His mtb (He really likes mountains and tents) and doubtless a really sweet roadbike, afterall, one cannot live on dirt alone.

If there are no mountain bikes in heaven, I don't want to go.

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Cycler6n

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Originally Posted by mydaughterchili not so sure of that one.... Noah was 500 years old when he fathered his first child (Genesis 5) Moses had to wear a veil because talking to God made his face glow (Exodus 34) God doesn't want anyone near Him who sweats (Ezekiel 44); Jesus' death triggered an invasion of Jerusalem by zombies (Matthew 27); God is green (Revelation 4); Jesus' mother is the planet Venus (Revelation 22). But I agree with you Cycler6n. I have faith and I believe in God, His son Jesus, and the Virgin Mary. Read Sermon on the Mount especially the Beatitudes. It's truly a beautiful example we should all follow regardless of religion. As for alienator he is the Ignatius Reilly of this site...... Let me guess he's going to call me a princess or something similar.....

In Noah’s time, people lived longer, the reason Moses’ faced glowed, was because of God's Holiness, its not that God doesn't want anyone near Him who sweats, I’m sure Christ sweat a whole lot in Jerusalem, and Christ was God, also, on the cross, he sweat blood, because of the physical pain He was in for your sake, I have a feeling that you folks view God as an entity in Heaven with a balled fist just waiting to pound you if you do something wrong, where the fact of the matter is He is a god who sacrificed His only perfect Son so that our sins in the past, and the ones we will commit in the future can be covered and forgiven by the blood shed by that innocent son. That’s love, would you take the penalty for things others have done and will continue to do? Anyway, back to the sweating, the reason God didn't want them to sweat was because that particular verse was saying how they should dress for their place of rest, or like our churches, God didn't want them working, so he said not to wear anything that causes sweat, so they wouldn't work, but rest, because He cares for them, and wants them to have a rest day. As for the zombie thing, after Christ was crucified, He made bodies of saints, or believer in Christ, arise, they didn't "invade" Jerusalem, but went into the city, and appeared to many, and those who were watching Christ, feared and said, this is really the Son of God, He did it to give people faith and make them believe, because He loved them, and wanted them to believe in Him. As for God's face being green, that was when John saw God's essence and said that looking upon it was to look upon jasper and sardine stone, jasper is a green gem, he wasn't saying His face was green, but it was a metaphor showing God's glory. And what you said about His mother being Venus, here is the verse: “I Jesus have sent mine angle to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and offspring of David, and the bright and morning star” Now He’s not saying David is His father, but He is saying that He is the messianic promise to the Jews, promised earlier in the Bible, in Isaiah 11:1, as for being the offspring of Venus, when He said the bright and morning star, He was saying, that He would bring a new age: the messianic kingdom.

It’s sounds like your well read, have you asked God to open your ears and heart to fully understand this book? Because it is a secret knowledge that is opened by the Holy Spirit, and not by mans reason. I'm not writing all this for my benifit, but yours.

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hukkaloogey

I'm certain His collection of toys is truly righteous.

Alienator - Looking for Evidence? May I recommend "Mere Christianity", "The Case For Christ" and "The Language Of God". The latter being largely a treatise in support of science, including evolution by natural selection, and how it in no way contradicts the word of the Bible. They are all very well written books. Read them with an open mind, please. I could add another dozen to that list, but those three are a good place to start.