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20-07.-2007, 07:09 AM
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Re: OT: joining the ranks of two wheelers again
Peter Cole wrote:
> Nate Nagel wrote: > >> Peter Cole wrote: >> >>> Brent P wrote: >>> >>>> In article <1oKdnUzJdY_LzgDbnZ2dnUVZ_u_inZ2d@comcast.com>, Peter >>>> Cole wrote: >>>> >>>>> Unlike you, I have never hit another cyclist. I also have never had >>>>> a bike crash or a car crash. Maybe you should listen to reason. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Ride around kids on bikes some time. They are unpredictable, more >>>> than you. They also don't obey rules, like you. Throw in some blind >>>> corners. PLUS they crash into you. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> They don't crash into me. I think you need to be more careful. >> >> >> I actually know a guy that had a kid on a bike run into the side of >> his gorgeous, unrestored '62 Impala SS convertible. Stuff like that >> seems to only happen to people with really special cars for some reason. >> >> nate >> > > Yeah, and I know a guy (cyclist) who is paralyzed neck down from a > left-hooking motorist. One is tragic, the other trivial. No, both are tragic, one just significantly more so. Your lack of respect for others' property (especially rare, valuable property) says more about your character than anything else. nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel |
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20-07.-2007, 07:11 AM
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Re: OT: joining the ranks of two wheelers again
Peter Cole wrote:
> Nate Nagel wrote: > >> Peter Cole wrote: > > >>> >>> You're equating minor cosmetic damage to your car with serious bodily >>> harm/death. Do you realize how crazy that sounds? >> >> >> I equally want to avoid both. I can't afford the repairs, and a >> ticket could literally cost me my job, depending on how severe it is. >> >> nate >> > > You better avoid parking lots then, that's a much more likely source of > the kind of minor cosmetic damage a bike can cause. > > I don't know what your job is, but it's hard to imagine one that would > terminate you for a biking ticket. > > I think you guys are stretching reality past the breaking point. I have a job with a company car. They run my license every year. If I get too many points, even if I am still legal to drive, they pull my car. I'm also not allowed to use a personal car for work-related travel, so... nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel |
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20-07.-2007, 07:38 AM
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Re: OT: joining the ranks of two wheelers again
Wayne Pein wrote:
> Peter Cole wrote: > >> Wayne Pein wrote: >> >>> You should be thankful that you have the rights of a driver of a >>> vehicle rather than the rights of a pedestrian when cycling. >> >> >> Just curious, how do you think the rights of a cyclist surpass those >> of a pedestrian? > > I never said they surpass those of a pedestrian. They are just very > different. > I never was a runner, but I always thought running in the street wouldn't be much different rule wise. What do you see as the differences? What would it mean to ride a bike with pedestrian rights? > Bicycles are vehicles with operating characteristics that require the > laws governing the operation of vehicles. > That sounds strangely circular. |
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20-07.-2007, 07:41 AM
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Re: OT: joining the ranks of two wheelers again
Nate Nagel wrote:
> Peter Cole wrote: >> Nate Nagel wrote: >>> I actually know a guy that had a kid on a bike run into the side of >>> his gorgeous, unrestored '62 Impala SS convertible. Stuff like that >>> seems to only happen to people with really special cars for some reason. >>> >>> nate >>> >> >> Yeah, and I know a guy (cyclist) who is paralyzed neck down from a >> left-hooking motorist. One is tragic, the other trivial. > > No, both are tragic, one just significantly more so. Your lack of > respect for others' property (especially rare, valuable property) says > more about your character than anything else. I think you need to check your morality dipstick, you're down a couple of quarts. |
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20-07.-2007, 07:50 AM
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Re: OT: joining the ranks of two wheelers again
Peter Cole wrote:
> Nate Nagel wrote: > >> Peter Cole wrote: >> >>> Nate Nagel wrote: > > >>>> I actually know a guy that had a kid on a bike run into the side of >>>> his gorgeous, unrestored '62 Impala SS convertible. Stuff like that >>>> seems to only happen to people with really special cars for some >>>> reason. >>>> >>>> nate >>>> >>> >>> Yeah, and I know a guy (cyclist) who is paralyzed neck down from a >>> left-hooking motorist. One is tragic, the other trivial. >> >> >> No, both are tragic, one just significantly more so. Your lack of >> respect for others' property (especially rare, valuable property) says >> more about your character than anything else. > > > I think you need to check your morality dipstick, you're down a couple > of quarts. Are you trying to say that you actually think it's acceptable to damage the property of others? That's sure what it sounds like. You may not appreciate an original, unrestored classic car, but to the owner it is probably worth quite a lot, both monetarily and emotionally. Heck, that beat-up Toyota Corolla in front of you might be owned by someone who's irrationally attached to it. You just don't know. You don't get to pick and choose what's important; the owner does. nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel |
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20-07.-2007, 08:52 AM
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Re: OT: joining the ranks of two wheelers again
Nate Nagel wrote:
> Peter Cole wrote: >> Nate Nagel wrote: >> >>> Peter Cole wrote: >>> >>>> Nate Nagel wrote: >> >> >>>>> I actually know a guy that had a kid on a bike run into the side of >>>>> his gorgeous, unrestored '62 Impala SS convertible. Stuff like >>>>> that seems to only happen to people with really special cars for >>>>> some reason. >>>>> >>>>> nate >>>>> >>>> >>>> Yeah, and I know a guy (cyclist) who is paralyzed neck down from a >>>> left-hooking motorist. One is tragic, the other trivial. >>> >>> >>> No, both are tragic, one just significantly more so. Your lack of >>> respect for others' property (especially rare, valuable property) >>> says more about your character than anything else. >> >> >> I think you need to check your morality dipstick, you're down a couple >> of quarts. > > Are you trying to say that you actually think it's acceptable to damage > the property of others? That's sure what it sounds like. You may not > appreciate an original, unrestored classic car, but to the owner it is > probably worth quite a lot, both monetarily and emotionally. > > Heck, that beat-up Toyota Corolla in front of you might be owned by > someone who's irrationally attached to it. You just don't know. You > don't get to pick and choose what's important; the owner does. > > nate > Yah, you got me completely figured out. Thanks for setting me straight on the whole property thing. |
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20-07.-2007, 09:11 AM
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Re: OT: joining the ranks of two wheelers again
Peter Cole wrote:
> Nate Nagel wrote: > >> Peter Cole wrote: >> >>> Nate Nagel wrote: >>> >>>> Peter Cole wrote: >>>> >>>>> Nate Nagel wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>>> I actually know a guy that had a kid on a bike run into the side >>>>>> of his gorgeous, unrestored '62 Impala SS convertible. Stuff like >>>>>> that seems to only happen to people with really special cars for >>>>>> some reason. >>>>>> >>>>>> nate >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yeah, and I know a guy (cyclist) who is paralyzed neck down from a >>>>> left-hooking motorist. One is tragic, the other trivial. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> No, both are tragic, one just significantly more so. Your lack of >>>> respect for others' property (especially rare, valuable property) >>>> says more about your character than anything else. >>> >>> >>> >>> I think you need to check your morality dipstick, you're down a >>> couple of quarts. >> >> >> Are you trying to say that you actually think it's acceptable to >> damage the property of others? That's sure what it sounds like. You >> may not appreciate an original, unrestored classic car, but to the >> owner it is probably worth quite a lot, both monetarily and emotionally. >> >> Heck, that beat-up Toyota Corolla in front of you might be owned by >> someone who's irrationally attached to it. You just don't know. You >> don't get to pick and choose what's important; the owner does. >> >> nate >> > > Yah, you got me completely figured out. Thanks for setting me straight > on the whole property thing. Well, WTF *are* you trying to say, since you seem to think my read of you is wrong? Just come out and say it; your circumlocutions are tedious. Either you're trying to say that damaging someone else's property is no big deal, or else you aren't making your meaning clear. nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel |
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20-07.-2007, 09:52 AM
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Re: OT: joining the ranks of two wheelers again
Peter Cole wrote:
> Wayne Pein wrote: > >> Peter Cole wrote: >> >>> Wayne Pein wrote: >>> >>>> You should be thankful that you have the rights of a driver of a >>>> vehicle rather than the rights of a pedestrian when cycling. >>> >>> >>> >>> Just curious, how do you think the rights of a cyclist surpass those >>> of a pedestrian? >> >> >> I never said they surpass those of a pedestrian. They are just very >> different. >> > > > I never was a runner, but I always thought running in the street > wouldn't be much different rule wise. What do you see as the > differences? What would it mean to ride a bike with pedestrian rights? > Generally, pedestrians walk facing traffic when in the roadway. Pedestrians in the roadway must step off the roadway when a vehicle approaches. When available, pedestrians must use the shoulder or a sidewalk. Depending on the situation, ROW/yielding rules may favor drivers of vehicles or pedestrians. Wayne |
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20-07.-2007, 11:10 AM
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Re: OT: joining the ranks of two wheelers again
In article <5g4nqiF3e7ih8U4@mid.individual.net>,
brink <brink@invalid.invald> wrote: > >Does "following the rules" include motorists not speeding, slow rolls >through stop signs and right on red, etc? Or are there just certain rules >that need to be followed by certain segments of the road-using public? The latter. -- There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one. |
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20-07.-2007, 11:14 AM
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Re: OT: joining the ranks of two wheelers again
On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:10:42 -0500, russotto@grace.speakeasy.net
(Matthew T. Russotto) signed his post with: > There's no such thing as a free lunch, > but certain accounting practices can > result in a fully-depreciated one. Time hasn't been that good to me, overall, but sum of the years really have. Sorry. No accounting for tastes, I guess. |
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20-07.-2007, 11:17 AM
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Re: OT: joining the ranks of two wheelers again
In article <TOqdnYeOXIly0gDbnZ2dnUVZ_uqvnZ2d@comcast.com>,
Brent P <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com> wrote: > >One big reason: They are using the same road system. You cannot have >various road users following different rules. It doesn't work. Here's a proposal: Everyone but Peter rides on the right side of the road like now, and he can ride in the center of the leftmost (from his perspective) lane, wearing camouflage. -- There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one. |
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20-07.-2007, 11:23 AM
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Re: OT: joining the ranks of two wheelers again
Frank Krygowski wrote:
Thank you for fixing your user name. Now the other two primary offenders need to follow suit. > ... > I've been told my riding skills are excellent, but I doubt they are as > great as Jobst's or Armstrong's or a long-time pro bike messenger.... Was Armstrong an exceptionally good bicycle rider from that standpoint? A successful road racer only needs to be competent enough as a rider to avoid crashing - power output relative to weight and/or frontal area is what wins races. -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia The weather is here, wish you were beautiful -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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20-07.-2007, 11:29 AM
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Re: OT: joining the ranks of two wheelers again
Scott en Aztlán wrote:
> Zoot Katz <zootkatz@operamail.com> said in rec.autos.driving: > >>> Is bailing water from the floor with a turkey baster every time it rains >>> really a necessary skill (after spending 10 minutes wrestling the top >>> up)? Or getting frostbite from driving in cold weather? >> You don't like bailing? - Stick to motorcycles. > > Oh, yeah - THAT will keep you warmer and drier. I once rode 200 miles in freezing weather [1] on my CB400. I stopped every few miles and held onto the headers (with my gloves on) for a bit to warm my hands. After the ride, I was shivering for about 4 hours. I am too old to do that sort of thing now. I see a lot of motorcyclists parked under overpasses while driving on rural interstates during heavy rain. [1] I needed to get back to school from spring break, and got caught by a late season cold-spell. Temperatures ranged from about -5 to 0°C. -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia The weather is here, wish you were beautiful -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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20-07.-2007, 11:36 AM
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Re: OT: joining the ranks of two wheelers again
In article <g6mq931cfhgpab7f9a38mls1uh2nj453vk@4ax.com>,
Zoot Katz <zootkatz@operamail.com> wrote: > >Oh, I do love a good series of speed bumps. > >It's so much fun to hear you chuckle heads scrape bottom in your >desperate attempts to get ahead of the bicycle. I get to laugh at >your stupidity every time I have to steer around the busted plastic >car crap you filth-bags leave laying in the road.. Here's one in the large "not pro-bike but anti-car" category. Speed bumps suck to go over on a (road) bike. Going around isn't much better, it results in going through the mushy gravel and dirt which accumulates there. And it's pretty obnoxious to advocate for a device which damages cars, then call drivers "filth bags" because of the results of that damage. -- There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one. |
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20-07.-2007, 11:39 AM
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Re: OT: joining the ranks of two wheelers again
Nate Nagel wrote:
> ... > Heh. I actually agree with this. I learned to drive on a Renault > Encore and an International Harvester Scout II. I feel that I am a MUCH > better driver for the experience of driving those vehicles - the Renault > was an underpowered piece of crap, and the IH while excellent off road > certainly required full attention on the road.... I had a Renault Encore, and except for the poor reliability did not think it was that bad of a car (my previous vehicles being a VW Rabbit that literally collapsed from rust, a MG Midget, and 1973 Olds Cutlass Supreme with a broken power steering pump, and a Chevy van. The Encore was a great car for fast driving on dirt roads due to the greater than normal ground clearance and relatively soft suspension. The Encore also handled exceptionally well on pavement for a vehicle so softly sprung. Of course, the Civic Si that replaced the Encore (thank you, DUI woman) was vastly better in every way. > People who learn to drive on good cars tend to rely on the car to keep > them out of trouble much more than people who learned to drive on > barely-legal shite. The Chevy van I drove had bald rear tires and one rear brake that locked up much earlier than the other three. Winter driving in practically anything else was easy after that. -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia The weather is here, wish you were beautiful -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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