Iban Mayo

thecyclist

I read that Mayo was supposed to receive a package from one of Fuentes associates "Manos Pequeñas" at last years tour. But he got a wrong package of drugs.

It also said that several other Euskaltel riders were doping during the tour last year: Iker Camano, Inaki Isasi, Inigo Landaluze and Gorka Verdugo.

It is supposed to all be organized by Gorka Gerrikagoitia, a DS for Euskaltel.

The guy who wrote it said he got the information from one of the persons involved with Fuentes.

cyclingheroes

According to Marca Mayo's B-Probe is negativ:
http://www.marca.com/edicion/marca/...lo/1048971.html

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thunder

not hard to believe.

Have to think, if the peloton was all on the same gear, or all on nothing (and there would be a difference because of responders) there would be alot of different riders up there.

Not just some French, but other folks, the Spaniards would not dominate the GTs, and even some Belgians might mix it up on the GT GC.

It takes some defying belief, to think that the Spaniard domination of the top 20 on GC in the GTs is because of the sporting culture and genetics. Sporting culture insofar as doping, but not insofar as Freire at Rabobank stage race centric.

Ofcourse, the Italians stay at home. But if everyone turned up, in France in July, with no Giro or Vuelta to be had in their legs that year, we would see a shakeup on GC.

Man, the sherpas could come to play too, and other Asian folk.

wolfix

Another TDF dream destroyed because of improper lab results....... And yet, all the posters seemed to have inside knowlwdge of his doping......

Again....... The UCI/ASO need to eliminate all drug tests and allow certain posters on here do the judging since they all have such insight to
*............ Who's doping determined by past results.
*............ Have the knowlwdge of the exact number of injections
done during the TDF.
*............They have knowledge of doping methods and even the type
of dope each team takes..... such as "Disco dope."

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cyclingheroes

Good proposal.

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Bro Deal

Funny how when riders test positive, it is due to improper lab results; and when they are cleared by their B sample results, it is also due to improper lab results. For some people no matter what happens, the labs are criticized.

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wolfix

OK ......... The lab sends a faulty reading to the UCI......
The UCI kicks Mayo out............
Mayo's TDF hopes are dashed....... His season is in ruins.....
We find that the reading was not correct.........
So .......Who do we blame??????
Bruyneel?
Armstrong?
They get blamed for everything else..........

Maybe they should have tested the B sample then kicked Mayo out if it tested positive.......

But that is too simple of a solution to the rabid anti-dopers who are reactionaries to a problem that is not new to cycling.

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Bro Deal

Who says it was faulty? It may have been close to the threshold for positivity, such that retesting gets a slightly different result.


Kicked him out of what? He finished the TdF in 16th place. He rode the Giro and the Tour; sounds like a packed season to me.


The currrent zero tolerance policy is a direct result of endemic doping and the teams and the riders who just don't get it; instead of changing their doping policies, they think of the increased enforcement as an opportunity to gain an advantage on other teams and other riders. It is those teams and those riders who are destroying the sport, not those who are trying to stop the doping.

Your "simple" solution would result in riders racing until their B samples came back posiitve. Race results would not be known for months. The turmoil in the sport would be even worse than all the doping positives. In a better world where only a small percentage of the riders were doping, it would be workable; but in this world, it is not realistic.

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This is of course not a good situation for Mayo, whose late season was spoilt by the faulty result. Still, I wouldn't change anything in the procedure because it is such a rare event that the B sample comes out negative when the A sample was positive. Wofix, you cannot test the B sample the same day as the A sample. To open (and test) a B sample is not a trivial thing, legally, since so much is at stake. I think there might be a satisfactory solution for this kind of situation. The lab which did the faulty A sample testing should pay Mayo some sort of compensation for potential earnings during Mayo's absence from racing. The lab itself has probably insurance for such a case anyway.

JohnO

Interesting to note that LNDD did not test the B sample. Two labs, one in Belgium and one in Australia did, and both got the same result - negative.

So, either two labs acting independently got the wrong result, or LNDD got the wrong result. Care to guess what the result would have been if LNDD had tested the B sample?

Quite true, the doping problem is serious. It won't be solved by busting innocent people, though. Given the penalty for error, to both rider and the sport in general, it is time to hold the organizations and labs to the same standards that the riders must live up to.

Frigo's Luggage

Ok. Mayo tests positive for testosterone during the Giro and wiggles out of it. He tests positive for EPO at the Tour and wiggles out of it. I am seeing a pattern here.

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fscyclist

Maybe you or someone else knows the answer as to why the A sample takes 1-2 weeks for processing but the B sample takes 2 months? It would be much more fair if the rider was only DQ'd for a couple weeks waiting for the B result rather than lose a whole season.

Also agree that a negative B sample doesn't prove innocence, only that the B test was negative (see Marion Jones). I wonder if there is degradation of thee sample in the three months it takes to retest.

NJK

Yeah, his doctor isn't very good at his job. If he was a mechanic he would definately over fill your oil. A lot of riders must still be doping but less than they used too and very close to the mark. I think a classic case could be Valverde rode well some days but average the rest, that is surely how clean or cleaner riders should ride an event such as a 3wk race. I have a few doping protaganists say you must be stupid to get caught while racing.

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limerickman

Mayo's TDF hopes dashed???????????
Is that the hope that he wouldn't get caught, by any chance?

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morelike hypocrisy.