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Old 27-07.-2007, 12:25 AM   #31
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Have been in England for over a week now and it's bloody freezing! I don't believe it.

Visited a large cycle shop yesterday, where you can find just about any bike or wheel etc. you could wish for.

Q. What indoor trainers do you do?

A. The Elite. (and that's that)

Q. Do you sell power meters?

A. What's a power meter?

The local gym also has crap trainers.

I don't believe it! Training is going to pot - can't wait to get out of this hellhole and back to the mountains and heat of Japan. TYSON
Oi!! steady on old boy you must be going soft in your old age . England is definitely not freezing! I think you could go in to a big bike store anywhere in the world and meet the same lack of knowledge on power meters and trainers. Where abouts are you anyway?
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Old 27-07.-2007, 06:54 AM   #32
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Oi!! steady on old boy you must be going soft in your old age . England is definitely not freezing! I think you could go in to a big bike store anywhere in the world and meet the same lack of knowledge on power meters and trainers. Where abouts are you anyway?
Well it was about 17C here in Brighton today, with a wind chill factor making it feel like 13 degrees. In Nagoya where I live in Japan it was 34C today!

I guess I'm just p----d off because the local gym has such crap trainers and I'm out of my usual environment and training routine. I'm sorry Ade, but I can't wait to get back to Japan and what I call normality. I shall be up at 5am tomorrow and out on the road, but somehow it doesn't feel the same. You might laugh, but the road surfaces are different here - they seem to use a much bigger chip in the asphalt which makes for rougher ride.

That's my moan over anyway, so I feel much better now. TYSON
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Old 28-07.-2007, 05:12 PM   #33
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I'm new and I've often though man I suck when I see other "newbie" posts, then I realize there's just no way especially the ones saying blah blah blah times solo. I by no means now much especially all these fancy numbers and terms but I do no enough when I'm reading BS.
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Old 28-07.-2007, 09:05 PM   #34
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I thought I was the only one to notice it. I do see it all the time, newbies on crap setups who have no idea what they're doing making a ride that would push me hard and it makes me wonder if I've just been lucky in all my races because these newbies haven't been in them or if my bike computer (and google maps) isn't calibrated right

Anyway, my 3 year old on her Dora bike with 12" (?) wheels is already averaging 18 mph for 20 miles and I'm thinking of putting some aero bars on her bike. Any recommendatinos? Also, the bike is a single-speed and she has to spin out like 180+ for those speeds so I need an idea on a better gearing option.
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Old 29-07.-2007, 09:20 AM   #35
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Also, the bike is a single-speed and she has to spin out like 180+ for those speeds so I need an idea on a better gearing option.



Hmm. I think she needs a one-tooth cog out back. That'll bring down the rpm.
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Old 29-07.-2007, 07:52 PM   #36
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You might laugh, but the road surfaces are different here - they seem to use a much bigger chip in the asphalt which makes for rougher ride.

That's my moan over anyway, so I feel much better now. TYSON
Ha ha i've just got back from The Tour Of The Back Mountains a real testing 115mile ride in South Wales. Pot holed farm tracks, smooth fast A roads; nagging 3k-7k climbs pitching up to 12%, laboursome gritty drags and rolling energy saping backroads. Blah blah so what?. I loved every minute of it - but it was quite simply one of the hardest rides I've done in the last couple of years. Tomorrow's business usual - my 4k flat training loop around Regents Park North London. Common on old fella get a grip it sounds like you've been pampered a little bit too much out in Japan
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Old 30-07.-2007, 07:31 PM   #38
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Am I doing OK!? They know that figure is damn good for a first ride (or even a hundredth ride), because they have read around the forum.
I've just taken out my childhood tricycle and have started getting into cycling, and I'm averaging 52km/h

Should I join the Tour de France next year?
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Old 30-07.-2007, 10:42 PM   #39
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I've just taken out my childhood tricycle and have started getting into cycling, and I'm averaging 52km/h

Should I join the Tour de France next year?

If you can keep your blood and urine clean, you might be the last one standing and win. I am turning 49 k/h on my daughter's "Hello Kitty" bike. You'll see me there.
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Old 31-07.-2007, 12:03 AM   #40
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[QUOTE=kopride]It seems to me that there may actually be an inverse relationship between having the latest gear and how fast you really are. A lot of fat doctors and lawyers riding around on the latest bikes and gadgets who aren't Cat 3s or better. So outside of sponored riders, most of the guys in their 20's are not going to drop 1200-1800 for a PM and new wheel or crankset. Most of the guys that I run into on the road with PMs are rich over 40 scum like myself who are trying to offset the fact that they get so little time to ride by spending $$. Go on a charity ride and see who has the best gear. We have delusions that we are something other than recreational cyclists with cool stuff. The pool is actually dedicated riders with money (or sponsors); or rich guys with the latest toys. So either the rich guys have great jobs and no family obligations that let them train like 20 year olds, or they are telling tall tales on the net.
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Old 31-07.-2007, 12:03 AM   #41
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It seems to me that there may actually be an inverse relationship between having the latest gear and how fast you really are. A lot of fat doctors and lawyers riding around on the latest bikes and gadgets who aren't Cat 3s or better. So outside of sponored riders, most of the guys in their 20's are not going to drop 1200-1800 for a PM and new wheel or crankset. Most of the guys that I run into on the road with PMs are rich over 40 scum like myself who are trying to offset the fact that they get so little time to ride by spending $$. Go on a charity ride and see who has the best gear. We have delusions that we are something other than recreational cyclists with cool stuff. The pool is actually dedicated riders with money (or sponsors); or rich guys with the latest toys. So either the rich guys have great jobs and no family obligations that let them train like 20 year olds, or they are telling tall tales on the net.
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Old 31-07.-2007, 12:08 AM   #42
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That's to bad I was recently informed by Bullgod Tacx and Elite have most or all of the UK/European trainer market. How did that happen?

There's nothing wrong with Tacx at all per se. Virtually all the pro tour teams use them, not only the teams but also the riders personally.

I gather KK has more reliable power curve, but most pros are either using PM's or else just going by feel or HR. In any case the more effective Tacx trainers offer a calibration function where you know that 350w on one day is the same as 350w the next day.

Take a look at the I-Magic and tell me you wouldn't want to play on one of those ;-)
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Old 31-07.-2007, 02:00 AM   #43
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First tell me you would want a magnetic resistance unit instead of the KKR fluid unit and you would rather have a video screen in front of you instead of a huge fan.



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There's nothing wrong with Tacx at all per se. Virtually all the pro tour teams use them, not only the teams but also the riders personally.

I gather KK has more reliable power curve, but most pros are either using PM's or else just going by feel or HR. In any case the more effective Tacx trainers offer a calibration function where you know that 350w on one day is the same as 350w the next day.

Take a look at the I-Magic and tell me you wouldn't want to play on one of those ;-)
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Old 03-08.-2007, 04:51 PM   #44
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my apologies 'silly old twit.' since i am new to the forums i guess you're referring to people like me; although all posts i've posted (very few as they may be) i have not lied in them. as stated above by 'bullgod' i am a recreational cyclist, although i do try to train as much as my (new) family will allow (which is not very much & very irregular). i try to show up at local events, but haven't done very many either. from the help of some nice fellow, my max power output would be in or around 261 watts, just to let you know. and yes i cannot afford a powertap (as stated above, again, by bullgod). i do hope one day of touching 300, but i don't see that happening very soon (plus i don't know how i will measure my output anyway). fyi, i ride a specialized allez w/stock 105 components & tiagra shifters/brake levers & triple sugino crank. i bought new easton velomax wheels & replaced the cassette w/12-23. sometimes i use an old pair of 32 spoke matrix iso c-II wheels. i ride on continental gatorskins & bontrager hard skins. maybe an armadillo if i feel like it. as for not posting often, most of the information i seek can be found with a simple search. so posting basically wastes your time in replying to redundant questions. i don't think i try to garner attention with my posts, i just need some reassurance that i'm doing things correctly & not just wasting time sitting in the saddle; i know that there are alot of very smart people who swing by this place on a regular basis. i hope by saying this you feel a little bit better about the newbies to the forum. btw, please don't feel the need to respond to this (not to sound rude)

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Old 03-08.-2007, 11:17 PM   #45
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No, you are right to be sceptic. But aren't you up against yourself and not some alias on a forum that has imaginary numbers?

Total beginner here, but with an endurance past. Every sport has these individuals. They might as well run around in a t-shirt that reads "I'm the next Lance Armstrong."

Personally, I don't care about other people's accomplishments. I'm averaging 16mph, and that's on my most recent 18 mile ride. Definitely not impressive by any means, but that's up 2mph from my 8 - 10 mph rides a month ago. What's important is how I feel, the fact I've dropped weight (200lbs - 190) and feel excited about where I'm headed. I don't care to be the next Lance Armstrong. I'll settle to be Tyler Hamilton's vanished twin!

What's more important is what you have accomplished over a period of time. I wonder if these individuals that post are improving on their results? I hardly ever see those posts. Gains are more important than where you start IMO.

If you race, take solice in knowing that you are probably kicking all their asses , but they will never post under anything more than an alias because they don't want you to know about their true average or sucky day! And they definitely don't want you to know about their latest race result!

Happy riding!

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Has anyone else noticed, or is it just me being the original sceptic?

Every so often someone posts saying they just inherited their grandfather's old Raleigh 3 speed bike or a friend sold them his old iron frame etc.
Anyway, on their first 15 mile hilly course they averaged 20.6mph, and they usually finish by saying something like, "am I doing OK?"

Am I doing OK!? They know that figure is damn good for a first ride (or even a hundredth ride), because they have read around the forum.

It seems to me they only post to get praise heaped upon them - god knows for what reason.

Why don't I believe them? Well, unless you're exceptionally gifted, I think to say you averaged 20mph plus on a hilly course on your first ride is bulls--t!!

And has anyone noticed they invariably never post again! TYSON
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