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Old 11-07.-2007, 05:03 AM   #46
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A month ago, mullerrj wrote:
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BTW, did you know that the world record 1 hr. TT has NEVER been broken outside the 100-106 rpm range?
Obree. Twice.
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Old 11-07.-2007, 05:23 AM   #47
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Obree. Twice.

Yes, the Scottish rider Obree is an exception to the rule but so was his bike..an exception and not the standard. But, the point is..as a standing rule..the world record 1 hr. TT averages between 100 and 105 rpm. And, even so, Obree's rpm on his record breaking rides were 93 and 95 respectively..which aint exactly too far off.
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Old 11-07.-2007, 05:39 AM   #48
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I've been time-trialing for five years now and I still haven't solved my own cadence/power riddle. I thought that I had finally established that for me, the highest gear in which I could maintain about 93-95 rpm was the best for me.

Then yesterday I went out to do my standard seven-mile interval (where I'm going at a bit below max), and decided to see what would happen if I pushed a higher gear at lower cadence. I ended up at about 85-88 rpm. And I did the best time I've ever done and was almost comfortable doing it. Now it seems to me that I've got more power than I realized and I wasn't tapping into it.

So now it's back to the drawing board to see what the truth is.

Pendejo- Do you think that possibly the reason why you feel more comfortable at 85-88 rpm is because when you get up around 95-100 rpm you start taxing your aerobic system- driving your HR up too high? What kind of shape are you in? Age? Any idea what your VO2max is? I'm thinking that the reason 85-88 rpm is more comfortable for you is because your limiting factor is your aerobic capacity..not your muscular endurance. Thus, you can generate more power at lower rpms without building up lactic acid and fatigue caused by it. But, when you start upping the rpms you start breathing more heavily and thus start backing off the power/accelerator. Interesting! I'm going to start researching this more..cause I think everyone has a specific rpm balance that they subconsciously like to maintain..based on muscular endurance and aerobic capacity. But, like you, what I'd really like to know is whether you can train yourself to groove a higher rpm..where you would actually have better TT times and produce more power. BTW, I think I'm EXACTLY like you..preferring more of a mid to high 80 rpm rather than a high 90 to mid 100 rpm.
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Old 11-07.-2007, 01:16 PM   #49
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Pendejo- Do you think that possibly the reason why you feel more comfortable at 85-88 rpm is because when you get up around 95-100 rpm you start taxing your aerobic system- driving your HR up too high? What kind of shape are you in? Age? Any idea what your VO2max is? I'm thinking that the reason 85-88 rpm is more comfortable for you is because your limiting factor is your aerobic capacity..not your muscular endurance. Thus, you can generate more power at lower rpms without building up lactic acid and fatigue caused by it. But, when you start upping the rpms you start breathing more heavily and thus start backing off the power/accelerator. Interesting! I'm going to start researching this more..cause I think everyone has a specific rpm balance that they subconsciously like to maintain..based on muscular endurance and aerobic capacity. But, like you, what I'd really like to know is whether you can train yourself to groove a higher rpm..where you would actually have better TT times and produce more power. BTW, I think I'm EXACTLY like you..preferring more of a mid to high 80 rpm rather than a high 90 to mid 100 rpm.

Hi, Mul, to answer some of your questions, I'm 61, very fit, one of the top three TT'ers (age-group) in Florida. Basically the situation seems to be as follows. In a time trial the two major systems that you are stressing are the large leg muscles and the cardiovascular system. For a given power of X, you can put the emphasis on the legs (L), by pedaling a higher gear at a lower cadence, or put the emphasis on the heart (H), by pedaling a lower gear at a higher cadence. I have to assume that for any individual, there is some ratio of L to H that will allow him or her to maximize average power over a given TT distance.

I suspect now that I was putting too much H into the efforts. More experimentation, hopefully, will give me an answer. It's a bit unsettling to still be at sea about such a basic issue after having been at the sport for five years. (It's also possible that the equation for an individual changes with age and training.) It's funny, but when I'm hurting during a hard effort I try to determine exactly where the discomfort is and I can't do it. My legs aren't seizing up or getting leaden, my breath is not out of control, etc. - it's just an indeterminate feeling of discomfort that is screaming, "Stop, you jerk!"
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Old 11-07.-2007, 07:53 PM   #50
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BTW, did you know that the world record 1 hr. TT has NEVER been broken outside the 100-106 rpm range?
Obree. Twice.
Yes, the Scottish rider Obree is an exception to the rule [..] But, the point is..as a standing rule..the world record 1 hr. TT averages between 100 and 105 rpm.
Really? I thought the point was that "exception to the rule" and "as a standing rule" don't mean "NEVER." BTW, Indurain, Anquetil, and Egg also set the hour record at less than 100 rpm.

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Old 11-07.-2007, 10:21 PM   #51
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It's funny, but when I'm hurting during a hard effort I try to determine exactly where the discomfort is and I can't do it. My legs aren't seizing up or getting leaden, my breath is not out of control, etc. - it's just an indeterminate feeling of discomfort that is screaming, "Stop, you jerk!"
That is probably a good thing, it means you're taxing your systems evenly. I remember when younger I used to ALWAYS get tired out in the legs when I'd go too hard (cadence was far too low) and nowadays it's also kind of a nebulous "why am I hurting, where?"
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