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No need to apologise.
The post was informative and well written.Quote:
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There has always been interest in the religious beliefs of political figures in this country. Think about how it was considered somewhat noteworthy and controversial that JFK was the first Roman Catholic president. This scrutiny seems to have increased in the last 25 years. Fundamentalist Christians started taking a greater interest in politics due to such things as legalized abortion and taking prayer out of the public schools. They believed that the best course of action was to try and bring about change, so they started running for local offices, then branched out to bigger things. They gained some power and got re-elected, and discovered that their mentions of faith seemed to strike a chord with the electorate. Because of that, it's not considered an election faux pas to talk candidly about matters of faith. From reading a book titled "Watching The English," I've found that the opposite is true over there. Mentioning religion while seeking votes would get a candidate little more than suspicious looks from the electorate. Tony Blair may be a devout Anglican Christian, but he doesn't talk about it much. Faith is a private matter over there. He's not a politician, but one of my favorite UK TV presenters is Alan Titchmarsh. He's reputed to be a devout Christian, but rarely talks about it. Unless he was hosting "Songs of Praise," I wouldn't expect to hear any mention of his faith. The Democrats over here seemed pretty quiet last election about faith and religion. It's hard not to think that they saw themselves as too good for that sort of thing. The only thing I remember hearing from the Kerry camp was that he was Catholic, and there was a bit of attention to how he was Catholic and supported legalized abortion. This is in no way meant to say that I don't think that Democrats can be people of faith, but their sudden attempts at Christian one-upmanship seem kind of cynical and hollow to me. Sort of like, "Well, it worked for Bush last time, so maybe we need to do that too." Even better would be, "Maybe if you mention God enough some of those Red State hicks will vote for us next time and put more Blue States on the map." I have to disagree with the notion that Christianity as a whole is becoming stronger in the US. The politicians may talk about it more, but I think the Christian church as a whole has little influence, and what influence it has lessens every year. Church attendence figures may not be the most accurate measure, but the only time in the 20th century that saw significant increase was a ten to fifteen year period following WWII. The numbers have gone down ever since. |
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If Ali's religious beliefs are so private, then why do you know what they are? Also, perhaps you aren't being tolerant, if the voicing of religious beliefs by political candidates is "worrying" to you. It's just pandering anyway. During the Clinton years, we were subjected to watching him walk out of church every Sunday with a Bible in his hand, holding Hillary's hand, especially whenever he was in "trouble." Come to think of it, they never show Bush leaving church.
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The Church operated as a means of social control over the centuries and it's the same with Islam in countries such as Iran.
For example, in Tsarist Russia (prior to Lenin's revolution), masses of impoverished peasants and workers were brainwashed into the belief that the Tsar was God's representative in Russia. It was God's will that the Tsar was in power e.t.c. So, the Tsar and his family lived in luxury while the masses toiled. And what about George Bush? Isn't it the same thing happening again? The neos and fundamentalists would have the average American believe good old George is acting on behalf of God. It was God who supposedly told Bush to sort out the Middle East e.t.c. As I've said before, I don't have an issue with serious, free-thinking Christians or even Moslems who find some comfort in a personal belief system. However, the Church and organised political Islam are a different kettle of fish. The Church has a record of poor human rights practices throughout history which is why entire populations of Indians were wiped out by Spanish Christian fundamentalists some centuries ago. I found it intensely worrying that American politicians were being forced to put their religious credentials down on the line just to be in office. Quote:
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