Hey Sandbaggers You Know Who U R

zaskar

I guess you need the money to maintain your lavish lifestyle.

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andsoitgoes

as a cat 5 racer myself, who is constantly striving to just hang on to the main feild, i have to agree with zaskar here. cat 5 should be for begining racers, and/or those who are not fast enough to advance catagories. now, i understand that every cat 5 race will always have a few dark horses, if not sandbaggers, who are just plain out better than me and either didn't know how strong they were or are still working toward category advancement. i humbly accept that and congratulate their performances.

if, on the other hand, someone is an experienced racer, knows exactly what they are doing, and is racing in a category well below their potential, it is hard to see the justification for this. as an experieced tennis player, for instance, i would take no pride at all in beating up on a ten year old kid or anyone who was well below my level. in fact, i would find this shameful and embarrasing. for me, there is no such thing as an easy race. it is not like i can race against juniors (even though i'm sure some would beat me!) or in the over seventy group and i wouldn't want to if i could. racing is supposed to be a challenge or else the win would be completely empty. everyone trains hard to race in the level they should be racing in and if you are winning races too easily with no motivation to compete against people at your own level, you are doing a disservice to everyone you beat and to yourself.

wilmar13

Seriously dude, this looks like your problem not his... who cares if he is a sandbagger? There is a mandatory point accumulation limit where he will be forced to upgrade anyway (as long as results are reported to USA Cycling). Bike racing should be about friendly competition, at least if you aren't getting paid for it. If you lose blame yourself and try to learn from your mistakes (tactics, training, preparation, etc.), then go have a beer with the guy that beat you!

zaskar

My post is a rant, not a problem. I would like to see the rules of the "force" upgrade if you have a link.

How is it competition when a so called competitor is racing in a high cat with pro power? Its like me entering my Impala 383 stroker into a race with hybrid cars over and over, year after year winning all of em(lots of fun that would be). He is strong and does have talent. If he had balls he would join the others that match his talent, he has more then enough points to up. Oh well, I'm over it. I told him to his face he is scared of competition and he looked like he was going to cry. I guess I hurt his feelings. The cat 4 guys are going to chip in and buy him a dress.

wilmar13

https://www.usacycling.org/news/user/story.php?id=580

Looking at the verbiage it is called an automatic upgrade... I guess it is possible they mean if you request it, there is no discretion of the official.... he has to upgrade you... I interpreted it to mean your license is automatically upgraded. I don't know the real answer here.

Either way, my point is don't waste your time crying sour grapes... if he is a sandbagger, so what? It has no pertinence towards your ability as a cyclist... and you should be able to mark him and sit on his wheel to get a better finish than you would have without him if you are racing smart.

zaskar

The anserw is, sandbagging is allowed.

If he shows up, we all race for 2nd. I'm not going to blow up and get dropped trying to suck his wheel , that is racing smart. I win or get top 5, I'm not ranting about my results. I do well, that is why I'm upgrading. I'm asking the sandbaggers and known bagger why?? Why have talent of a pro and race at a level you far exceed?

wilmar13

Are you sure he has the points? I was vehemently hated by a couple of douches earlier this year who screamed at me "you are not a cat4" and did stupid stuff like try to crash me... fact was I didn't have the points to upgrade despite being so much stronger than most I was racing against. You have to win 3 races to even have the minimum points. As to why someone would want to remain a 4 season after season if they have Cat 1 ability... I have no idea since they could make more money sandbagging in the 3's