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24-05.-2007, 12:27 AM
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Re: Power Training burnout?
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I didn't mean to misquote you, I just trimmed your lengthy post down to what I thought was the most important fact: you're apparently not using the data that your powermeter provides to change how you train for the better, so there really isn't much point in owning it (unless you're the type who gets pleasure from, e.g., filling up training logs). |
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24-05.-2007, 12:27 AM
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Re: Power Training burnout?
I question what percentage of PM owners use them properly. At the races quite a few riders show up with SRM or PT. It use to intimidate me till I notice after the attacks they are all gone. I have not encountered one strong PM user yet. Did a race yesterday. As soon as the climbs started the PM users were bye bye.
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24-05.-2007, 12:45 AM
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Re: Power Training burnout?
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Ha! My target event is 3.5 weeks away, so I'm still trying to pound out that last fitness step with extra doses of L5/L6 TSS. I did have Monday off after the MO State RR this weekend, but TSB was still around -15 last night. I was planning to taper up to +20 for a 50-mile RR target. Any thoughts on whether I should shoot for being 'fresh-er'? Quote:
I think you're right. The labels aren't wrong, it's just that there are enough of us who train frequently but only race occasionally that the fitness bars have been raised across all categories (to really have an expectation of being able to win, anyway). It's Lance's fault!   Under the current USCF points system, it probably takes 15-20 races a year for a rider to be 'forced' into their correct race category, while I do closer to 8-12. In any case, I'm going to move up after this target event even if I don't get forced out. |
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24-05.-2007, 12:47 AM
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Re: Power Training burnout?
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Well sure, 'cause they're so.... dang.... heavy! |
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24-05.-2007, 12:58 AM
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Re: Power Training burnout?
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Are you saying that is the reason I dropped them? lol. Well I won my first yesterday. The course had 11 miles of climbing, fit me well. TSB was -0.7 ATL 80 CTL 92 French, when you won last year what was your TSB? |
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24-05.-2007, 01:12 AM
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Re: Power Training burnout?
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Sounds like you whipped them though, nice job.  Quote:
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24-05.-2007, 01:16 AM
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Re: Power Training burnout?
I take a break from structured power work. I think it is important to go out and just ride sometimes. Don't go by power, but use your PM for post-ride analysis.
I've found with a few athletes I coach that the PM limits true potential and training load. Go out, tape over the wattage (for those who I know watch it too much) and go ride hard. Very hard. You may be surprised with what you end up. |
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24-05.-2007, 01:57 AM
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Re: Power Training burnout?
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I wouldn't. In fact, depending on how the race is likely to play out, your natural strengths/weaknesses, etc., even +20 might be a tad too "fresh". |
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24-05.-2007, 05:03 AM
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Re: Power Training burnout?
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So, I take it that you don't race against this guy? http://www.srm.de/bilder/Rennfahrer...er2007Sinke.jpg   |
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24-05.-2007, 05:45 AM
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Re: Power Training burnout?
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Is this the best howling I'm going to get? I'm disappointed. |
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24-05.-2007, 06:00 AM
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Re: Power Training burnout?
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Us vanity-user types are all too busy laughing at you for your choice of powermeter. I mean, c'mon: using an Ergomo and, worse still, calling yourself Ergoman is like trying to score with the chics by driving a Kia and calling yourself Kiaman. If you're going to dress (your bike, that is) to impress, everybody knows that you need to get an SRM. |
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24-05.-2007, 06:19 AM
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Re: Power Training burnout?
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Yeah, I know I was teasing you with my denial... the truth is I think I haven't devoted the mental energy towards really learning how to use it to the utmost. Funny thing is it seems I know as much or more than every other power user I talk to (excluding internet forums), which makes me think there are a lot of power meters out there being used even less productively than I use mine. |
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24-05.-2007, 06:20 AM
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Re: Power Training burnout?
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See this is what I am talking about... WTF is TSB? ATL? CTL? that's it, I am going back to going hard and looking at my speed. |
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24-05.-2007, 06:24 AM
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Re: Power Training burnout?
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Great so now we are condoning power meters as a bonafide data collection tool only. May as well have stuck with my Polar Power... of course I collect more data with SRM and now know that my 5 second power is not that bad after all. yeah that was worth $3000  . |
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24-05.-2007, 06:26 AM
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Re: Power Training burnout?
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I expect those of us that do use PMs effectively are already convinced of their utility. There's really no point in howling against those that don't, although I'm happy to race with them. I can understand the sentiment that it is possible to get the same training benefit without one, but that's only because I've trained with one for 2 years now and could possibly mimic power training by using perceived exertion alone. I find that people who have never trained with a PM are susceptible to all the traditional cycling myths, no matter how many years they've been riding or at what level they have competed. In my mind, using a PM isn't really a compromise to consider, since I don't suffer from any negative effects* such as those that the OP has mentioned. It's purely a benny for me, but I can see how others might not see it that way. * - in fairness, I do suffer the weight penalty during races as a result of my addiction to power data, but that's the only negative that I can think of. |
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