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31-05.-2007, 04:33 AM

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Ratiocinator

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Re: Chocolate Milk Question

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Originally Posted by garage sale GT

Scotty Dog is right. I did a search>advanced search>find posts by on Ratiocinator and found he more or less only wants to link you to his food toxicity advocacy groups. The only vaguely cycling-related link is one to another cycling site, which he could have learned about after setting out to change the world by posting links to cycling sites.

Thank you for taking an interest in me. I appreciate it. I would advise you, however, to spend more time studying nutrition, instead of wasting time on my post history.

Again, I am left somewhat perplexed as to why some of you spend so much time and effort attacking me and looking for dirt on me when all I am doing is peacefully posting valid information that could benefit you all.

And before any moron posts back with a quote from one of my messages that is slightly less than stereotypically peaceful, I would advice you first to look at who initiated the tone-lowering of this thread. It certainly was not me.

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Originally Posted by garage sale GT

Theres always User CP>buddy/ignore lists>ignore.

Thank you for the suggestion.

Last edited by Ratiocinator : 31-05.-2007 at 04:44 AM.

31-05.-2007, 04:37 AM	#32
garage sale GT Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,196	Re: Chocolate Milk Question "This message is hidden because Ratiocinator is on your ignore list.</SPAN>" Just go to User CP>buddies/ignore and this is all you will see. Last edited by garage sale GT : 31-05.-2007 at 07:32 AM.

31-05.-2007, 04:42 AM

#33

Ratiocinator

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Re: Chocolate Milk Question

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Originally Posted by garage sale GT

"This message is hidden because Ratiocinator is on your ignore list.</SPAN> "

Take note, people. This fool is forever destined to live as a buffoon. This dope will always have a closed mind to the truth. This moron will always behold lies and treat falsity as truth.

This dummy willfully censors reality and walks blindly in this realm only believing corporate lies!

I am glad I no longer have to deal with uninformed crap from this loser.

31-05.-2007, 04:45 AM

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doctorSpoc

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Re: Chocolate Milk Question

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The facts and figures do not support your theory.

It is highly advisable to refrain from eating wheat. This has been mentioned in the ‘empty calories’ thread. Look it up, just like your buddy has done.

Wheat is a mucus forming, acidifying food that causes localized constipation throughout the body. There are lots of risks associated with wheat, especially with the hybridized varieties farmers use today. Research it.

Shellfish should certainly not be eaten. I bet you don’t know very much about the concentrated toxins in shellfish or the way they are farmed and caught? All animal, fish and avian flesh is toxic; it all acidifies the body, promotes a multitude of different diseases and is mucus-forming. The higher up the food chain one goes, the more concentrated the toxins are.

Humans are, after all, anatomically herbivorous. Yes, that’s right. We are herbivores and hospitals would have more free beds if the majority of people accepted this clear fact and lived according to nature:

http://www.earthsave.ca/articles/he...omparative.html

The only thing I am smoking is the truth. Your cocoon of delusion, your hole in the dirt for your head, surely is a comfortable domicile. Yeah, right up until reality comes up from behind and boots you in the ass.

Ha! I knew one of you fools would write words to that effect! You idiot. What exactly is my agenda? Compassion? Ethics? Promoting cruelty-free living? Advocating ways that would make the world a healthy and peaceful place for all species?

You hate the truth so much you are too quick in looking for a category and a pigeonhole to encage me in just to satisfy your eagerness to avoid information that you are uncomfortable with.

If you are so eager to fight me, then why not take apart the information and facts I have posted here? Why attack me, the messenger, instead of revealing errors in what I have written?

You are pathetic. What I have posted is valuable information that is lost on you, and some of the others here, because you are destined to live as idiots and sheep.

RMAO!!!

i almost fell of my chair reading this

OK garage sale GT... should have listened.. the guy is actually insane...

but it was actually worth it in a way... i'm actually wiping tears out of my eyes from laughing so hard.. that was hilarious!!

i'm out!!

31-05.-2007, 04:48 AM	#35
garage sale GT Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,196	Re: Chocolate Milk Question I shouldn't have told you what to do, doctorSpoc. I pulled my post because it was rude. I would like to take this opportunity to remind everyone that the Report SPAM button is not just for commercial advertising posts: "Note: This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising messages, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts." Perhaps milk is essential for emotional stability. Last edited by garage sale GT : 31-05.-2007 at 05:20 AM.

31-05.-2007, 05:30 AM	#36
garage sale GT Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,196	Re: Chocolate Milk Question Anyway....... I have a bit of a hard time with milk myself. I have not built the giant leg muscles of some cyclists despite riding a lot, so perhaps a big post-ride meal is not such a good idea. I am currently trying soy protein and a sugary pop in lieu of chocolate milk. I went ahead and sprang for the protein powder on the theory that too much post-exercise nutrition can be a stressor to the body. Maybe a small, lean piece of chicken would promote recovery but you can't always buy that without a lot of extras, anyplace you choose to stop. And a small-size burger and fries will involve slow-to-digest fat as well as excess sodium. Maybe someone can cite the chocolate milk study but I really think it's just about getting a snack involving a certain amount of protein and carbs. Last edited by garage sale GT : 31-05.-2007 at 06:55 AM.

31-05.-2007, 06:51 AM	#37
GABAjunkie Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Location: Missouri Posts: 28	Re: Chocolate Milk Question This is great stuff. Thanks ratio. I think I'll have a big medium rare steak and a glass of milk for supper!

31-05.-2007, 06:59 AM

#38

doctorSpoc

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Re: Chocolate Milk Question

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Originally Posted by garage sale GT

Maybe someone can cite the chocolate milk study but I really think it's just about getting a snack involving a certain amount of protein and carbs.

i'll take a look for the study... but yes all you really need is a snack with 4:1 carbs to protein and within the 1st 30min after stopping exercise absorbsion is many times faster than if you wait more than an hour... chicken, ham sandwich, peanut butter and jelly... but as for me choclate milk is just too easy and i have a problem with solid/dry food right after my ride and choc milk gives the carbs, protein, and liquid... a yogurt smootie would likely do the trick too but i'm too lazy for even the minimal prep involved there...

31-05.-2007, 08:03 AM

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zaskar

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Re: Chocolate Milk Question

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Originally Posted by garage sale GT

I have not built the giant leg muscles of some cyclists despite riding a lot, so perhaps a big post-ride meal is not such a good idea.

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Giant leg muscles wont help your endurance cycling. Cycling is not a strength sport. You know how much force you apply to the pedals? stand up. Cycling is cardio.

31-05.-2007, 08:30 AM

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Re: Chocolate Milk Question

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....Maybe someone can cite the chocolate milk study but I really think it's just about getting a snack involving a certain amount of protein and carbs.

Here's a link to the study: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/524370
but it doesn't really give you the answer you're looking for. It pretty much just says it works and has a good carb to protein ratio but doesn't define that ratio or try to explain why it works. I ran the OPs question by my wife who runs a nutrition counseling practice and holds an MSRD. Her answer was a lot like those above, get a lot of carbs, along with some protein during the critical half hour and again a couple of hours later. According to her the carb to protein ratio is debated and although a lot of folks advocate 4:1, there isn't a lot of good science backing up that particular number. But I do have to question the folks talking about protein powder and lean chicken. Whatever the ideal carb to protein ratio, it's clear that the carbs are the important part to replace depleted glycogen. Protein powder or meat won't do much for restoring the glycogen you've spent during a hard workout. Put that protein powder in a fruit smoothie maybe.....

-Dave

31-05.-2007, 08:51 AM

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zaskar

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Re: Chocolate Milk Question

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Yea, the idea of the protein is to get the carbs to absorb into the muscles. No need for protein powder.

31-05.-2007, 08:51 AM

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garage sale GT

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Re: Chocolate Milk Question

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Originally Posted by daveryanwyoming

Whatever the ideal carb to protein ratio, it's clear that the carbs are the important part to replace depleted glycogen.

Hence the sugary pop.

31-05.-2007, 08:55 AM	#43
GABAjunkie Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Location: Missouri Posts: 28	Re: Chocolate Milk Question Thanks Daveryanwyoming! Thats good posting!

31-05.-2007, 09:13 AM	#44
UncleFred Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: British Virgin Islands Posts: 78	Re: Chocolate Milk Question Rcinator- Sorry I didn't respond earlier I was busy studying the 1001 reason why I shouldn't drink Chocolate Milk, any way you've converted me, I've sold my bike and with the proceeds bought a bag of hemp seeds that I shall plant tomorrow, one question though, what would you recommend as fertiliser?

31-05.-2007, 09:19 AM

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garage sale GT

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Re: Chocolate Milk Question

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Originally Posted by zaskar

Yea, the idea of the protein is to get the carbs to absorb into the muscles. No need for protein powder.

Does protein NOT promote absorption of carbs if it's in powder form? No, you probably don't need it but I find it convenient sometimes. Plus there are times when I don't want to have solid food after a ride.

Part of the idea of the carbs is to trigger an insulin response which will shut off the cortisol and stop you from going catabolic. However, on days when you come in stinking of ammonia, you rarely want to have some lean beef and sphagetti. Protein powder just gives you a small glass of flavored liquid to drink along with your carb beverage.

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