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01-06.-2007, 07:31 AM
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Re: PT on group rides
Agree that at some point you realize group rides are great for group riding, but not so great for _specific_ training. Training with a power meter reinforces that. I don't ever do group rides if I want to do a specific workout, but I enjoy the workouts I get.
As far as power distribution break down goes, I don't even look at it anymore. I really don't think it says much of anything for any of the SST/threshold zones, because there is some expectation that they require an amount of time to receive physiological benefit. Just because you're passing through L4 while going to L5+ doesn't mean you get L4 benefit.
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01-06.-2007, 11:30 AM
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Re: PT on group rides
while i agree that you need to do specific training on your own... i don't agree that you can't get a good workout from a group ride... my reaction is that you just aren't pulling long enough and/or hard enough or you are riding with a group is just not advanced enough for you or it's way to big.
here is an extreme example of a group ride last summer where i produce most of my best numbers (10min, 20min, 30min) for the year... i was flying.. large group of 12-15 on the way out and a group of 6 on the way back FTP ~250-260, weight ~56kg... 4:16 hrs of rolling terrain... 2:35 T+ 1:54 Th+ 33.75 VO2 47min AC typical group ride that i do once a week.. ~2:45 hr with a few hills... 1:36 T+ 1:07 Th+ 18min VO2 29min AC i think you'd agree that these are great workouts... and i don't think looking at total AP and NP tells you anything about a group ride where it tends to be race like with section of very high intensity with other lower intensity sections... need to go through it and say ok the hills were this long and i did 350W... did a 20min section at ave x watts etc, etc.. total ave power and total np are meaningless on a group ride just like they are meaningless in a race... sucess in races depend on you being able to do x watts for x period of time or you're dropped and it's game over... |
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01-06.-2007, 11:34 AM
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Re: PT on group rides
The only group rides I do are races.
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02-06.-2007, 03:32 AM
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Re: PT on group rides
I don't mind group rides that have big long climbs where everyone goes at their own pace. Also I find that if I tell people I need to get in 2 x 20minutes during a long group ride then they don't mind me taking a couple of huge pulls.
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