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Old 18-05.-2007, 11:47 AM   #31
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Very similar set up is some way to my 05 Specialized Sirrus Pro which has a compact frame and also the compact crankset. It also has Avid Juicy 5 hydro-disc brakes, which are also very powerful and brilliant for commuting, especially the wet.It also has rack mounts (F&R) to which I could add, but I like to keep the bike wt down and use a messenger bag to hold all the stuff I carry when commuting. I have been using various brand tyres (all 700c x 23) and am using ContiGP4000's at the moment. Had the bike for just two years and done 28k km on it and I love it. Very similar performance wrt speed in groups to the giant, but that is probably me, not the bike. Normally average 28-29 km/h in solo 100+ km rides, so I am happy with that overall performance.

PS, Being the wrong side of 40 (ie, the eyes are not what they used to be!!), and with recent experience with a puncture at night and helping a bloke last night with a punture under a streetlight, I would recommend carrying a spare folding tyre, only adds another 200 gms of weight to carry, but may save a bit of aggro at this time of year.

By the way. i picked up my CRX1 for $1,000

How much was the Sirrus? Last I checked it was better built but a fair bit more exxy.
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Old 18-05.-2007, 12:04 PM   #32
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By the way. i picked up my CRX1 for $1,000

How much was the Sirrus? Last I checked it was better built but a fair bit more exxy.

The Sirrus cost me $2,600 after changing the saddle and putting some carbon bar end on, and without pedals. Tis a good bike, but had some issues with the FSA BB on the compact crankset which seemed to need replacing every 5-6 k km. I changed to a Shimano compact crankset & BB recently as the chainrings were getting worn, and hopefully will get better endurance from the BB.

The CRX range is similar to the Specialized Sirrus range and possibly better value (haven't checked for a while- my SO would kill me if I even was considering looking at a new bike- even if it was for her!). When I got the bike, the maintanance service at a very local LBS was also part of my decision consideration.

BTW, I have roughly worked out it costs me about $.10/km ie ten cents per km to maintain the bike (tyres, chain, cassette, brake pads, etc). Is this similar to others experience ?
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The Sirrus cost me $2,600 after changing the saddle and putting some carbon bar end on, and without pedals. Tis a good bike, but had some issues with the FSA BB on the compact crankset which seemed to need replacing every 5-6 k km. I changed to a Shimano compact crankset & BB recently as the chainrings were getting worn, and hopefully will get better endurance from the BB.

The CRX range is similar to the Specialized Sirrus range and possibly better value (haven't checked for a while- my SO would kill me if I even was considering looking at a new bike- even if it was for her!). When I got the bike, the maintanance service at a very local LBS was also part of my decision consideration.

BTW, I have roughly worked out it costs me about $.10/km ie ten cents per km to maintain the bike (tyres, chain, cassette, brake pads, etc). Is this similar to others experience ?

Sounds like ur Sirrus is higher specced

I've added a few things on my CRX1 since getting it, a Specialised Body Geometry seat, carbon fibre drink holders, Sigma BC1600 speedo
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Old 18-05.-2007, 09:35 PM   #34
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BTW, I have roughly worked out it costs me about $.10/km ie ten cents per km to maintain the bike (tyres, chain, cassette, brake pads, etc). Is this similar to others experience ?
Interesting stat. Never thought about it that way. So, I've done some maths. In the last 12 months, two bikes have cost me $0.077/km. I'm assuming you're not including bike purchase cost. I didn't include the purchase of the GPS, that's hopefully a one off cost. One of the bikes is under 12 months old, so the maintenance for that one has been almost nothing.
Mean while, the car is costing $0.196/km.
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Old 18-05.-2007, 10:47 PM   #35
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Hm, I really don't know what your budget is but you can get a complete Surly CrossCheck for $1495 RRP. That's an awsome bike for commuting and touring too. It will beat any new bike from Giant by miles and miles....

Another good choice is Mongoose Randonneur. I haven't seen the prices lately, but you should be able to get one somewhere in the $1200-1400 range I believe.

Both of these bikes will be fast enough on road and can be taken for some unsealed road cycling. Both can take seriously wide tyres (37mm with ease) and a rear rack. These are strong bikes built to take some beating, both have strong wheels. CrossCheck is better equipped and offers more race-bike like riding position, Mongoose Randonneur is still good enough for most of rides out there and may even be more comfortable for a newbie, because it is has a shorter top tube so you sit more upright.

In my search for a touring bike I have tested both the cross check and randonneur. The randonneur is no longer in production is now being sold in the form of Viventi world tourer (steel frame).

There are slight differences between the cross check and randonneur. For one the randonneur has a longer chainstay which gives better heel clearance. Frame material is different as well, Surly is 4130 steel, randonneur is alum. They are both made for different purpose, the Cross check designed for Cyclo-cross, and randonneur a tourer.

I went with the randonneur, and build it up myself, I got 28C tyres on it, and it has a very relaxed geometry, and is my most comfortable bike. It makes a very good commuter bike, fast and stable under load.

Some shops may be clearing the randonneur , I have seen one for sale $800 with Sora shifters.
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Old 18-05.-2007, 11:14 PM   #36
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In my search for a touring bike I have tested both the cross check and randonneur. The randonneur is no longer in production is now being sold in the form of Viventi world tourer (steel frame).

There are slight differences between the cross check and randonneur. For one the randonneur has a longer chainstay which gives better heel clearance. Frame material is different as well, Surly is 4130 steel, randonneur is alum. They are both made for different purpose, the Cross check designed for Cyclo-cross, and randonneur a tourer.

I went with the randonneur, and build it up myself, I got 28C tyres on it, and it has a very relaxed geometry, and is my most comfortable bike. It makes a very good commuter bike, fast and stable under load.

Some shops may be clearing the randonneur , I have seen one for sale $800 with Sora shifters.
Can you buy these bikes in Perth?
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Old 19-05.-2007, 11:19 AM   #37
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Can you buy these bikes in Perth?

Well I am pretty sure any good bike will be able to order them in for you. I have seen the Viventi World Tourer, and I think it comes in at $1500, with front and rear racks. It really is a touring specific bike.

The Surly Cross check can be purchased as a frame fork. However, I am not sure if they come complete as a built up bike. Of course the shop should be able to build it up anyway to your specifications if needed.

As to the comments about how these bikes will beat any Giant, I think if you get the right bike for the right job, you will find that the bike will be the best bike you ever rode, irrespective of brand.

I feel that I should also mention the Surly Long Haul Trucker. This is Surly's dedicated touring frame/fork. I had my mind set on it, until I tested it for size, and the size that fit me came as 650C wheelsize frame.

I was re-reading your original post, since you are going to be riding on sealed roads, you really dont need any suspension forks. Just running wider tyres at 80psi or so will give you a comfortable ride.

Bottomline, once you have clearly defined your riding needs, dont waver and get confused by your riding wants!

Easier said than done, as I have somehow accumulated 4 bikes.

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Old 19-05.-2007, 11:53 AM   #38
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Sounds like ur Sirrus is higher specced

I've added a few things on my CRX1 since getting it, a Specialised Body Geometry seat, carbon fibre drink holders, Sigma BC1600 speedo
It's mainly Ultegra specced, with carbon fork, bar, seat post and seat stays, with the rest ally frame. I never really found the BG saddle comfortable on long rides even though my MTB has one on it. I am using a SI Max Flite saddle. Adds to the bike since new are some Cateye lights, a Wireless Sigma BC1606, which is good even though the wireless cadence has not been working, and for this time of year a bloody good light at night for commuting. plus pumps.
I was using Crank Bros Egg beater pedals for a while, but found that the bearings karked it after 5000 or so km, so have swapped back to Shimano SPD's on the road and the MTB.

The BV ride magazine a couple of issues did a comparison of a couple of high specced FB road bikes, a Giant and an EPX (Look at their website). If I remember, the bikes characteristics were different, but both rated highly.
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Old 19-05.-2007, 01:56 PM   #39
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I have seen the Viventi World Tourer, and I think it comes in at $1500, with front and rear racks. It really is a touring specific bike.

Its called the Viventi World Randonneur.

I'll being buying one of these bikes, it's got some good stuff on it for the price.


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Its called the Viventi World Randonneur.

I'll being buying one of these bikes, it's got some good stuff on it for the price.


http://www.viventebikes.com//produc...ent/0/t/product
Thanks for the correction, it is a very nice bike! In my case, I purchased a mongoose randonneur frame, and then 3 days later found out that the World Randonneur was replacing it! Anyway I am quite happy with the aluminum framed Randonneur I got, does exactly what I want it to do.
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Old 20-05.-2007, 01:28 PM   #41
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Hey, I've had a randonneur too! Very nice commuter bike I recon. Mine was the "LE" model; the one with bar-end shifters. I like those shifters a lot. The frame is aluminum, but the fork is steel, which is a very good reliable combination. I didn't know they don't make them any longer... that's not a good news for me. I really liked the bike.... (mine got crushed under a Ford Territory one day - SMIDSY). Seems I'll have to go for the CrossCheck.

Btw, I think that CrossCheck is not really made as a cyclo-cross specific bike. I recon the name that was used is rather a clever marketing; it is more a do-it-all road bike; strong, sporty, not too-expensive and so it can be used to race some cross if that's desired...


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In my search for a touring bike I have tested both the cross check and randonneur. The randonneur is no longer in production is now being sold in the form of Viventi world tourer (steel frame).

There are slight differences between the cross check and randonneur. For one the randonneur has a longer chainstay which gives better heel clearance. Frame material is different as well, Surly is 4130 steel, randonneur is alum. They are both made for different purpose, the Cross check designed for Cyclo-cross, and randonneur a tourer.

I went with the randonneur, and build it up myself, I got 28C tyres on it, and it has a very relaxed geometry, and is my most comfortable bike. It makes a very good commuter bike, fast and stable under load.

Some shops may be clearing the randonneur , I have seen one for sale $800 with Sora shifters.
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Well I am pretty sure any good bike will be able to order them in for you. I have seen the Viventi World Tourer, and I think it comes in at $1500, with front and rear racks. It really is a touring specific bike.

The Surly Cross check can be purchased as a frame fork. However, I am not sure if they come complete as a built up bike. Of course the shop should be able to build it up anyway to your specifications if needed.

CrossCheck comes as a complete bike too. Last time I saw it the price was $1495, complete bike. Also the LongHaulTrucker (Surly) comes as a complete bike now and the same price applies. Dirtworks is the distributor here in AU.

I recon that for 1495 the CrossCheck is a very good choice (for myself). I'd just need to swap the saddle and that's it.

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I feel that I should also mention the Surly Long Haul Trucker. This is Surly's dedicated touring frame/fork. I had my mind set on it, until I tested it for size, and the size that fit me came as 650C wheelsize frame.

The smaller LongHaulTrucker frames are actually designed to take 26" wheels. Larger sizes take 700C wheels. It is just that some people found that those smaller frames will take 650C wheels too. That's how much tyre-clearance is available!! Nothing wrong with either of the option..?

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I was re-reading your original post, since you are going to be riding on sealed roads, you really dont need any suspension forks. Just running wider tyres at 80psi or so will give you a comfortable ride.

Bottomline, once you have clearly defined your riding needs, dont waver and get confused by your riding wants!

Easier said than done, as I have somehow accumulated 4 bikes.

Feel free to email me at thomas.cho@tpg_dot_com_dot_au

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I recon that for 1495 the CrossCheck is a very good choice (for myself). I'd just need to swap the saddle and that's it.

There must of been a classic design for steel road and touring bikes that were used throughout the world many years ago.

I've ridden with guys that have Cecil Walker steel framed bikes and another guy that had a steel bike from Italy and the design is similar to the Cross Check.

http://www.surlybikes.com/crosscheck_comp.html


I've got an old Apollo road bike thats 28 years old and the frame is very similar in design to the fuji touring bike. So i wonder how old the fuji design is.

http://www.fujibikes.com.au/bikes.asp?id=290&subcat=2
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Interesting stat. Never thought about it that way. So, I've done some maths. In the last 12 months, two bikes have cost me $0.077/km. I'm assuming you're not including bike purchase cost. I didn't include the purchase of the GPS, that's hopefully a one off cost. One of the bikes is under 12 months old, so the maintenance for that one has been almost nothing.
Mean while, the car is costing $0.196/km.

These stats are good to see. I've worked out that by riding rather than catching the train / bus I'm saving $0.168/km. So far though I've spent $1.16/km for the bike (including purchase and all other stuff). If I keep commuting at my current rate though my savings on train tickets will pay for my bike in less than three years.
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It appears that the price I am looking at you will only get Sora level equipment on a road bike, which most people seem to poo-pah, yet the hybrids will give you top level mountain bike type groupsets.
The difference is because those brake lever/gear shifter combos cost a lot, while the separate controls used for flat handle bars are much cheaper.

As another current thread says the thing that people don't like about Sora is that the little switch on the side is hard to reach from the drops. I'd guess that you can work out fairly quickly if that would bother you, so it wouldn't be a bad idea to take one for a test ride.

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A lot of people do recommend drop bar road bikes for more hand positions, going faster etc. I have shied away from them because the brakes appear further away and harder to reach if you need to slow down quickly and the drop position doesn't look comfortable.
You can add interupter levers to the top part of the handle bar then brake with either set. They are also called auxiliary or cross levers. I haven't tried them myself, but they look effective (not like those worse than useless things that got added to 10 speed brake levers a few decades back).

I'm not trying to push you towards drops though. Each style has its place, and the most important thing is that it works for you.
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