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That's certainly interesting information and I thank you for bringing it to my attention. I'll have to try to set the time aside to pursue further study. Having said that I will also suggest that it's not really anything unusual. It has long been known that certain genetic branches offer greater resistance to some problems and less resistance to others. I strongly suspect that this is likely due to a fairly drastic change to a diet containing higher levels of fat over a relatively short period (a few dozen generations perhaps), but since I have no data to support that, I offer it only as conjecture which links back to the evidence found in the Hopi Indians. Aside from that there are always genetic factors to be considered in such diseases. One point of caution; many seem to believe that diabetes is caused by increased sugar intake. Research points the finger not at sugar, but at fat consumption. If you take a human out of our controlled environments and place us in a more natural and wild setting, without tools were pretty poor hunters. It makes more sense in most cases, for us to pursue less risky methods for gathering food. And in such a situation our ingestion of fats would be dramatically lower than even a relatively low-fat diet within our culturally defined diet parameters. Quote:
I took a few moments to do a little looking and what I found was, not surprisingly, somewhat short of conclusive. But there does seem to be a foundation of research which connects testosterone levels to fat intake. It should be noted that while saturated fat is implicated in some studies, others suggest fats in general rather than just saturated fats. The vast majority of what I've reviewed so far is from the following site; http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1485979 You may well want to take a look and see if it leads you to further information which may be of interest to you. A few of the comments I found to be notable were; Previous work by Keys et al(6) found a correlation between higher levels of Testosterone and increased intake of polyunsaturated fat, so that's something that should be considered. Of course it's nearly impossible to do any research on saturated fats without continually seeing the link between saturated fat and increased levels of LDL (bad cholesterol). With heart attack being, by far, the number one killer in developed Western nations, the link between saturated fats, cholesterol and heart disease, and the statistics which show vegetarians to suffer only 25% of the heart attack rate and vegans displaying only 7% of the heart attack rate exhibited through standard diets, I think I'd opt for coconut oil, coconut milk, palm kernel oil, cocoa butter and palm oil for sources of saturated fats were I convinced that they were necessary to promote testosterone production. One other possibility not likely to meet with great favor among the athletically inclined is that what we accept as "normal" testosterone levels might actually be artificially elevated compared to what would be suggested based on human digestive physiology. However, given the information on other fats and the indication that they may also promote testosterone production, I think that unlikely. Too many vegan and vegetarian athletes have sailed to the top ranks of their respective sports to lend to any conclusion that such diets are anything but beneficial, particularly to those pursuing activities reliant upon superior endurance. Quote:
From my perspective when everything is measured out and weighed in, we're probably far better off recognizing our tendency to continue to consume milk as somewhat of an anomaly and likely one which doesn't lend us any health benefits while presenting a number of concerns regarding detriments to overall health. |
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Unless this was a mistake and you meant to say "omnivores", do you have any research which would support the conclusion you've presented here? As has already been shown in the thread, when we look to human digestive physiology, we fall more firmly in the category of monogastric herbivore. |
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It might be fair to take a look at history and the number of "cranks" who turned out to be correct while the arrogance of mass majority opinion turned out to be founded in misconceptions fueled by the confidence inspired by being of the majority opinion. While I recognize the tendency to reject things which sound far-fetched compared to "common knowledge", I've run into enough situations where the minority were the ones who had actually done the work/research that I'm less quick these days to simply shrug off information because it falls contrary to popular opinion. We should probably remember that there was a time when suggesting the Earth to be spherical would have lead to massive ridicule and potentially, charges of heresy, just as did the assertion of a heliocentric solar system and the speculation of planets around other stars. Perhaps not everyone here is old enough to remember a time, not so long ago, when the suggestion that red meat was other than a strength-building healthy base for every meal would have been shrugged off as lunacy. How many here don't remember the now defunct "four food groups"? Before that, I can recall a time when the controversy over cigarette smoking still raged with many appealing to centuries of smoking with "no ill effects". Sometimes the key to finding the "ill effects" are to remain open to potential causes of common illnesses, even in things which have long been thought to be perfectly healthy, (asbestos, red meat, smoking, etc.). The ill effects of smoking had been suffered and documented for decades. But until the link was conclusively demonstrated it remained as elusive to some as the link now drawn between heart disease and meat consumption. And just as with smoking, there are many who refuse to accept what they wish wasn't true. I'm often reminded of the wisdom behind the word of Samuel Clemons; "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect." -- Mark Twain There is a sizable base of research and physiological evidence which suggests that much of the information presented by Ratiocinator is, while quite contrary to popular opinion and "common knowledge"; highly supportable on an evidentiary and statistical basis. In running him off, we may have lost a source of information we may do well to research further. Last edited by Beastt : 20-06.-2007 at 04:52 AM. |
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spam isn't healthy As you suggested i do indeed use coconut milk as my m ajor saturated fat and i dont use very much (as an asie it contians MCTs "the 9 calorie carbohydrate" genreally i eat unsaturated fats and lean meats and the incidental sat fats take care of it. My diet previously was very low fat with no specific "fats" only incidental ones and less than 10% of overall clas from fat. from experience this leads to test levels which are way too low for performance if the diet is followed for a long time. EDIT: the diet was also hypocaloric not by intention but because you need much higher volumes of carbs and proteins at 4kcal a g than fats at 9kcal a gram to meet the needs of high volume training |
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You have been here long enough to know there are a number of members that will say anything they want never needing to back it up nor even represent the truth....the Moderators allow it to happen ...and let the few ruin great discussions, only to threaten or run off anyone who challenges those "special" few.....be careful what you say, if you are not part of the inner circle you will be warned. Case in point….. go over to Grand Tours - Giro - Tour de France - Vuelta a España and read away, unbelievable what is allowed to go on .....by a select few. The honest members here..... get tired of those, that spew constant random BS….and we are called cranks…funny how that works. |
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