what is iran thinking???

Colorado Ryder

Isn't it amazing that everyone but the original poster can provide links?

Bro Deal

What is amazing is that you are incapable of using an interface as simple as google's.

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limerickman

Bro Deals opinion, in this instance, is supported by the links.

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morelike hypocrisy.

Colorado Ryder

Just as you are incapable of copying and pasting a link. Guess that makes us both lazy.

stevebaby

Have some more.
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Colorado Ryder

Didn't argue that is wasn't. Just wanted a simple link that he apparently wouldn't provide.

limerickman

I didn't suggest that you did argue that.

Why couldn't you "google" or "yahoo" the subject matter yourself?

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morelike hypocrisy.

Virenque

If they would fight just against coallition forces it would be quite normal. Every sovereign country has its army which defend its people. In Iraq, nobody except its new army is doing that. You have former Saddam`s army, Sadr`s Mahdi army, Al Qaeda and plenty of other small terrorist/extremist groups. Nobody seems to be protecting Iraqis (I mean ALL Iraqis at once) and it`s far away from fighting just against coallition forces - they are killing their own people and that`s what you don`t want to comment. It`s not just West who is paying the price, Iraqis are paying a lot more and coallition try to protect them.

Eldron

Eldron has the solution!

America should kill most of the Iraqis then herd the rest of them into reserves and allow them to sell cheap cigarettes and gamble. The United States of Iraq (USI). The new flag can feature oil barrels insstead of stars.

It's a proven formula for country dominance!!!

Seriously though everybody here is right - the GI's are killing civilians, civilians are killing civilians, terrorists are killing GI's, the armed are killing the unarmed, looting is rife, gang lords are rife etc etc.

The Iraqis were knackered before the americans invaded and they're knackered now. More or less knackered is a "chicken or egg" debate.

stevebaby

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,2044345,00.html
A monstrous war crime | Iraq | Guardian Unlimited
It now becomes apparent that Blair knew that the figure of 655 000 deaths in Iraq was accurate and that the methodology was sound.
If Blair knew...Bush knew.
A plague on both their houses.

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Carrera

It may seem totally irrational to us that the Iraqis are killing one another but this has an explanation.
When the U.S. deposed Saddam, Bush's policy called for the initial exclusion of the Sunnis while the Kurds and Shia were given priority. Think about it logically. The only way Bush could justify his invasion was by claiming he had the Iraqis on his side (i.e. they would welcome U.S. troops with champaigne and flowers).
True with respect to the Kurds and Shia but wholly untrue so far as the Bathists and Sunnis are concerned. Initially, Sunnis were told their role in any new Government would be a minor one.
So, why are Iraqis killing one another? Basically because the Sunnis view the Kurds and Shia as siding with the U.S. - taking advantage of the invasion in order to displace and get one over on fellow Iraqis (the Sunnis).
Therefore, Sunnis began to attack Shia and call on the Shia not to take part in the U.S. structured, puppet Government. Somehow along the line violence escalated and old tribal differences began to intensify.
This is what happens when politicians develop a God-complex and interefere in the evolution and development of a less socially advanced country (such as Iraq). That's why I compared it to slavery of the negro race a few centuries ago. What you see on the T.V. is daily scenes of perplexed Iraqis mourning their dead and carrying coffins through the streets. None of this happened under Saddam. As Hans Blix stated, at least under Saddam Iraqis had security, their jobs and safe streets to walk in.
So far, not a single politician has provided one shred of evidence Iraq posed a genuine threat to the U.S. or Europe. There were no WMD or missiles that could hit London. I wonder if the day will come when future generations look back on this episode as a war crime.

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Bro Deal

What's your point? The nature of guerrilla warfare is that lots of innocent people get killed. Anyone seen colloborating with the enemy is a target. Anyone who is moderate is a target of hardliners. Hardliners are the target of moderates. Guerrilla warfare can only succeed when it can show the people that the existing power structure is incapable of protecting them, so rebel groups have a vested interest in creating mayhem. This is true without the religious component that exists in Iraq. With the religious component, the situation is even nastier.

The current situation was predictable. Countries in the Middle East warned the Bush administration about the possible consequences. The neoconazis deliberately tossed a match into a gasoline soaked building and are now trying to blame the fire on the building.

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Virenque

Your problem is that you call guerilla warfare perfectly legal and honorable. My point is that people with such behaviour (terrorists` behaviour, not yours..ok maybe a little) can`t be tolerated and please, don`t tell me now that USA acts the same...

EoinC

...Meanwhile, back in Iran - I don't have any reason to believe the Iranian Government. I also don't have any reason to believe the British Goverment. How can any of us categorically state that the British military personnel were outside Iranian territorial waters, or that they were inside? Why should any of us feel that it is reasonable to assume one way or the other?