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30-03.-2007, 06:13 AM

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Again what is the source?

Any clear proof?

Testimony in a trial and you accept that as truth?

Surely you aren't suggesting that US soldiers would lie under oath. Are you?

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30-03.-2007, 06:16 AM

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Surely you aren't suggesting that US soldiers would lie under oath. Are you?

Everybody is capable of a lie.

30-03.-2007, 06:17 AM

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Again what is the source?

Try reading something from time to time. I know it's not currently in fashion, but it's amazing how much more informed about the world you will become.

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30-03.-2007, 06:19 AM

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Try reading something from time to time. I know it's not currenly in fashion, but it's amazing how much more informed about the world you will become.

Just point me in the direction where I can find this information. A link would work.

30-03.-2007, 06:37 AM

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Everybody is capable of a lie.

Dubya? Cheney? Rumsfeld?

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30-03.-2007, 06:39 AM

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Dubya? Cheney? Rumsfeld?

Everybody is all inclusive. Which means it would include you.

30-03.-2007, 06:42 AM

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Just point me in the direction where I can find this information. A link would work.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13974639/
Troops: Under orders to kill - Conflict in Iraq - MSNBC.com

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30-03.-2007, 06:43 AM

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Everybody is all inclusive. Which means it would include you.

And of course...you!

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30-03.-2007, 07:13 AM

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And of course...you!

That is what all inclusive means.

30-03.-2007, 07:14 AM

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13974639/
Troops: Under orders to kill - Conflict in Iraq - MSNBC.com

Thank you. I guess it was to much trouble for Bro Deal to actually post a link to support his post.

30-03.-2007, 07:27 AM

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Thank you. I guess it was to much trouble for Bro Deal to actually post a link to support his post.

First off, someone who wants to argue about a subject should be reasonably informed about it. Second there is always this link if you need to find something out: http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com That used to work but I cannot verify it still works because the work "fuck" in the domain name sets off the web filter at the client I am working at.

Third, I am not referring to any one incident, but a whole range of them that have occurred over the course of the last few years. From the voluminous reports from Iraqis about shooting incidents to several court cases it is clear that the U.S. has been operating free fire zones in Iraq. While useful in a real war with armies fighting other armies, free fire zones are immoral in urban combat amongst civilians. They are also extremely counter-productive when you are trying to win the hearts and minds of the occupied people.

30-03.-2007, 07:32 AM

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Oh, really? Even Bush admits to more than 30K Iraqi deaths. Deaths reported in the media are over 60K. The Iraqis recently placed the totals at 155K. A huge percentage were killed by coalition troops. The brits have been mad as hell from the beginning because the Americans are trigger happy and hteir lack of control has made the environment more dangerous for the brits.

The Lancet/John Hopkins survey states that 655,000 Iraqi's have died as a result of the invasion between March 2003 and September 2006.
No approximation of the number of Iraqi's injured has been estimated since the invasion/occupation

The UN has reported that approximately 1.5 million Iraqi's have been forcibly displaced since the invasion in March 2003.

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The Americans have killed vast numbers of innocent people. Standard operating procedure seems to be to gun down anyone near an IED when it goes off. U.S. military procedure for securing houses has been to kill all males of military age. When the U.S. destroyed Fallujah, they first kicked out the journalists and secured the hospitals so no news would leak out about the number of people killed like it did when they first attacked the city.

It has been reported that the US used chemical weapons when it's forces attacked Fallujah in 2004.

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Iraq had nothing to do with Al Qaeda. Nothing. Repeat after me: Nothing. Even you imperious leader Bush admits that. The Al Queda allegations were outright lies told by the Bush administration to justify the war.

Agreed.

Al Qaeda opposes secularist/Ba'athist movement throughout the entire Middle East.
Given that Saddam was a Ba'athist adherent - it is a lie to suggest that he and Al Qaeda would be aligned in any way.

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When are you going to end the terrorism of Bush and Blair? They have killed more innocent people than Bin Laden could dream of.

Agreed.

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30-03.-2007, 07:44 AM

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I didn't say I wanted to argue the subject. Virenque wanted to argue. I just wanted a link so that I could read what you were posting about. Providing a source would allow me to discern if the information is just your opinion or not.

30-03.-2007, 07:47 AM

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Plenty of coverage, from reputable sources, reporting USA forces atrocities in Iraq.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/1020/p03s03-usmi.html

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0808/p01s03-usmi.html

http://www.themercury.co.za/index.php?fArticleId=328015

http://www.counterpunch.org/cloughley10262004.html

30-03.-2007, 07:47 AM

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I did not reference the Hopkins study because I have doubts about its validity. The numbers seem way too high of a percentage of the total population. It's hard to say, though. Clearly sources like iraqbodycount are way too low since they only add deaths that are reported in the media; with the islamic custom of immediate burial and the poor media coverage, there has to be a majority of deaths that do not get reported. I tend to think the Iraqi figure of 155K is the most accurate I have seen.

Bringing up the displacements is a good point. That has been an utter disaster, and it is a good indication of how bad the situation really is. People are not going to flee unless they have a damned good reason to do so.

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