Another US rider from SPIKE team caught using testosterone

Originally Posted by Billsworld

I dont think that Scott or I, or most other people have the belief that there are no drugs in the sport. I come from a powerlifting backgroud as well as bodybuilding. I competed lifetime clean and am clean. I for example squated 600 at 198 and 450 ~ Raw. (back then raw was only in the gym) In my gym those were very average drug free numbers.Even now if I train at certain gyms people ask clever round about questions that imply drug use, because I can squat 315 x10(again very average) and have more muscle than they do. The real problem is that they are pussies that are too F***ng lazy to climb under a squat bar. I also have a very close friend that could lift with the elites and was lifetime clean (800 squat at 181lbs)Everyone thought he was on . bla bla bla ... My main point is that it is wrong to slander Blatchford or any other individual , without direct evidence that he is a user. We are all aware that drugs are rampant in cycling and most other sports, its just innocent untill proven guilty as far as I am concerned . Anything else just pisses all over someone that is trying to do it clean.

Originally Posted by Flyer's.Finale!

Bill:

It is more wrong to presume these athletes are clean. Because is just ain't so at the very top end levels. Q: Why don't we just do a testosterone test, not a T/E ratio game---but the $200 exogenious test? A: Because everyone would flunk! T-Mobile and the USA cycling team will throw policy and procedures at us fools---but they won't ever stop the unbiquitous doping.

It is not slander. It is not libel. It is common sense and logic.

Assuming Lance Armstrong is clean, whilst his employees Floyd, Tyler, Frankie Roberto, Benoit, Manuel, Pavel get busted for steroid and blood doping requires suspension of logic. Theater of the absurd.

Stephen Alfred is now offically busted for the second time. Once at age 30, once again at age 39---that we know of.

Most USA doping violations are kept secret. Cindy Olivari in 1984, and the track team blood transfsions administered at the Ramada Inn in Carson

You keep believing Bill. Nike built a lucrative business upon that miracle of commercial faith.

Originally Posted by tonyzackery

You know what is a good analogy for your ranting? Because I am a black guy and this type of whining has relevance, you sound like some black guy who has never made anything of his life always crying racism when something occurs that doesn't go his way. Racism does exist and is a fact of life, however, that doesn't mean you have get on your soapbox everyday and scream "That's racism" in order for people to believe you or to change anything. What happens is, those people that you're trying to reach, start tuning you out. On another angle, just because a black guy has got ahead in life doesn't mean his success was the result of some quota system, as whiners of reverse discrimination like to rant and rave about.

If there's a problem - do something active to fix it instead of whining about it. Therein lies the restoration of your credibility... Food for thought.

Originally Posted by Billsworld

Flyer, I got into this sport because I am a fast twitcher whose body began to say no mas to heavy lifting. I stayed away from this BS when in the gym and I will never be at that level to worry about having to beat Massie or Blatch. My goals are mostly against the clock and for masters Nats. the guys I look up to in the sport are Larry Nolan, Al Whaley,Steve Hill , Gord Singleton and a handfull of others .. Just dont piss on them and we have a truce

Originally Posted by Flyer's.Finale!

Sadly--of the names you mention--they are close friends with many a confirmed drug cheat. The synthetic testosterone is everywhere--all aroud you. (Discovery Team, Floyd, Lance, Tyler, Stephen Alfred, David Fuentes et al...)

Birds of a feather? We never need to know.

Our modern dope control system allows for massive doping:
testosterone
Clomid
hCG
hGH
EPO
blood spinners
insulin
amphetamines
Salbutamol
Viagra
Prozac

are all allowed in Olympic sport today. You can only advance so far clean.

Originally Posted by tonyzackery

totally obsessed...sad...

Originally Posted by Flyer's.Finale!

More sad than a Black doper apologist?

I think not.

Neither does Paul Tagliabue's old lap dog---Gene Upshaw ($3 MIILION a year)

Originally Posted by tonyzackery

Quite frankly, it is only obvious to me that you never had elite athletic ability so you are desperate to try and destroy ALL those that do, regardless if they're clean or not. Therein lies your sick obsession...

I believe if you redirected your efforts, you possibly could effect some actual change, but ranting in this forum like you're doing is analogous to a rat on a running wheel...peace

Originally Posted by velomanct

Geeez, I've been away from the cycling scene for half a year now. The whole sport is crumbling with all the doping. That's what turned me off about it. I dropped VelonNews because all I ever saw on the cover was doping scandels.

I kind of understand why my old teammate got sick of the sport and left last year.

Is there no pride in competing clean anymore? What's the point in winning if you're on anything?

I can't wait to get back out on the roads and train and break my old records.

Originally Posted by Billsworld

Good to have you back. CS should still be in the sport. He left a void when he left. BTW I am down to 181 with lots more power