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Another US rider from SPIKE team caught using testosterone

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Old 13-02.-2007, 01:30 PM   #16
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Why would you assume Blatchford or any other US rider was using anything? Must be the blazing fast times , or maybe the strong showings at world cup events. Blatchford is a youg kid, Alfred is a 39 year old trying to hang in. Dumb to accuse the whole Spike team!
He was doping when he was young too!

The AIS had a doping scandal. Was it fair to question them?

Team Spike is suspect. No doubt about it.

One million US High school teenagers abuse steroids and 90% will never be professional. 100% of Olympians must dope or stay home.
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Old 13-02.-2007, 01:41 PM   #17
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3) discredit anyone who suggests the obvious---THEY ALL DOPE at this level...

FF, you make valid points more often than not with regard to conspiracies that exist in athletics, hell, the whole world for that matter, but until you can PROVIDE EVIDENCE that "THEY ALL DOPE at this level", your soap box rants about all pro cyclists using drugs IS NOT OBVIOUS, FACTUAL, NOR WITH ANY MERIT. As Bill mentioned, you simply whitewash everyone with the taint of drugs because, perhaps, you couldn't attain their level of performance?????

With regard to drugs, I personally (do a google on my name if you don't believe me) played in the NFL. My career was shortened due to injury, but I made it nonetheless and I was not, nor have ever been, on any drugs to improve my performance. So, I am proof that not everyone who makes money performing an athletic feat at an extremely high level needs to be on PEDs to do it.

I believe if you qualified you statements with an "I believe...", or "In my opinion..." you would garner more credibility. Just a thought...
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FF, you make valid points more often than not with regard to conspiracies that exist in athletics, hell, the whole world for that matter, but until you can PROVIDE EVIDENCE that "THEY ALL DOPE at this level", your soap box rants about all pro cyclists using drugs IS NOT OBVIOUS, FACTUAL, NOR WITH ANY MERIT. As Bill mentioned, you simply whitewash everyone with the taint of drugs because, perhaps, you couldn't attain their level of performance?????

With regard to drugs, I personally (do a google on my name if you don't believe me) played in the NFL. My career was shortened due to injury, but I made it nonetheless and I was not, nor have ever been, on any drugs to improve my performance. So, I am proof that not everyone who makes money performing an athletic feat at an extremely high level needs to be on PEDs to do it.

I believe if you qualified you statements with an "I believe...", or "In my opinion..." you would garner more credibility. Just a thought...
You wrote consipracy, not me.

Institutional fraud is NOT a conspiracy. I never asserted any consipracies.

Omerta and fraud are a way to maximize revenue and profit by cheating, lying, denying and marketing. The mafia adopted this method from Big Business.

--And until you can offer up some shread of PROOF (not silly presumptions)that a commercially endorsed athlete is 'clean; (does not use peptide hormones, amphetamines, hGH, eGH, IGF, insulin, Salbutamol, cortisone, cortisone based steroids) your assertion that athletes are clean is hogwash. Pure myth.

Everyone who played high school football---played hurt. College and the NFL demand daily doseages of drugs into order to train, recover over night and play aggressively--whilst injuried. Everyone from the NFL is on drugs (the punters and place kickers too)---even after retirement. You are not being 100% honest about that--despite your impassioned doping denial. (Floyd was more endearing in his little fib)

Nike knows cheating, doping and winning:
Marion Jones
Tim Montgomery
CJ Hunter
LaTasha Jenkins
Justin Gatlin
Regina Jacobs
Kelli White
Michelle Collins
Lance Armstrong
Barry Bonds

Quit supporting the Live Wrong Foundation. Free Tlyer!
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Old 13-02.-2007, 04:42 PM   #19
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--And until you can offer up some shread of PROOF (not silly presumptions)that a commercially endorsed athlete is 'clean; (does not use peptide hormones, amphetamines, hGH, eGH, IGF, insulin, Salbutamol, cortisone, cortisone based steroids) your assertion that athletes are clean is hogwash. Pure myth.

Everyone who played high school football---played hurt. College and the NFL demand daily doseages of drugs into order to train, recover over night and play aggressively--whilst injuried. Everyone from the NFL is on drugs (the punters and place kickers too)---even after retirement. You are not being 100% honest about that--despite your impassioned doping denial. (Floyd was more endearing in his little fib)

You are a fraud, and I must say, appear to be a bitter person. I already told you I didn't use drugs and played in the NFL but you continue to insist "everyone from the NFL is on drugs...". But you call me dishonest and don't even know me; you are laughable now.

In your world, unfortunately, an athlete is guilty (if performing at a level you, the judge and jury, doesn't believe possible without drugs) until proven INNOCENT. What a novel state of consciousness - excuse me -consciousness. You'd be right at home in communist China, Cuba, or North Korea.

I hope you can get some help for your issues...I really do because you have some redeeming qualities and make a few valid points. However, the fact that you are opinionated makes your credibilty wane.
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You are a fraud, and I must say, appear to be a bitter person. I already told you I didn't use drugs and played in the NFL but you continue to insist "everyone from the NFL is on drugs...". But you call me dishonest and don't even know me; you are laughable now.

In your world, unfortunately, an athlete is guilty (if performing at a level you, the judge and jury, doesn't believe possible without drugs) until proven INNOCENT. What a novel state of consciousness - excuse me -consciousness. You'd be right at home in communist China, Cuba, or North Korea.

I hope you can get some help for your issues...I really do because you have some redeeming qualities and make a few valid points. However, the fact that you are opinionated makes your credibilty wane.
Whistle. I am thowing a flag on that post! 10 yards and a loss of down.

Dopers are defensive. All addicts live in abject denial. That helps explains your phobia and desperate need to reframe the question or discredit me via name calling, silly NFL wanna-be trash talk. Pretending to defend the NFL was your undoing. A $5.6 BILLION private monopoly of human exploitation, concusions, deception, myths, mass media marketing, greed and massive abuse of anabolic steroids, cortisone, amphetamines, asthma inhalation and female hormones too.

No reasonable person thinks that giving and accepting violent hits by titanium helmeted 200-365 lb freaks, blind sided, clothes-lined, head first spearing, clipping (lateral knee chops), on a weekly basis could function without daily trauma medicine and therapy. The USA is no different than China or Cuba insofar as endulging your anti-doping cover story. The USA spents $100 BILLION on such nonsense each year. ESPN-ABC-Disney covers up for MLB & NFL steroids directly (George Mitchell, Disney Chairman is also the steroid auditor and TV contract supervisor) Lies and commercial conflicts is all you have to sell us Tony. We have plenty of propaganda here. No need to volunteer for more cancer.

One million high school teens abuse steroids in the USA today. Many of those kids play HS football. They are beginning with oral meds often before the 9th grade. Our children are doping earlier and earlier each year. Ridalin for the ACT, Winstrol and greenies for the football JVs. Marijuana after practice, ecstasy after the game.

Nobody gets recruited to LSU, University of Washington, Cal, Notre Dame, Michigan, Ohio State or USC without steroid abuse--PRIOR to camp.

Every person who plays college football receives injuries with lasting effects. Most NLF alumni are bi-polar cripples---and on daily drugs until death.

You have been outed Tony. Just like defending Stephen Alfred or his peers, the NFL was built on synthetic hormones. WR, DB, QB, TE, LB, FB to punters.

From Terrell Owens, to Ricky Williams, Maurice Clarett, to Todd Stauerbran, Todd Steusse, Jeff Mitchell, Terry Bradshaw, Steve Courson, Jim Haslett, Barrett Robbins, Dana Stubblefield, Rod Martin, Chris Cooper, Lawrence Taylor, Shawne Merriman, to Brian Bosworth, Bill Romanowski, et al. the whole doped bunch. They all lie on camera too! Just like in cycling.

NFL----never forget lying!

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Old 13-02.-2007, 07:27 PM   #21
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Whistle. I am thowing a flag on that post! 10 yards and a loss of down.

Dopers are defensive. All addicts live in abject denial. That helps explains your phobia and desperate need to reframe the question or discredit me via name calling, silly NFL wanna-be trash talk. Pretending to defend the NFL was your undoing. A $5.6 BILLION private monopoly of human exploitation, concusions, deception, myths, mass media marketing, greed and massive abuse of anabolic steroids, cortisone, amphetamines, asthma inhalation and female hormones too.

No reasonable person thinks that giving and accepting violent hits by titanium helmeted 200-365 lb freaks, blind sided, clothes-lined, head first spearing, clipping (lateral knee chops), on a weekly basis could function without daily trauma medicine and therapy. The USA is no different than China or Cuba insofar as endulging your anti-doping cover story. The USA spents $100 BILLION on such nonsense each year. ESPN-ABC-Disney covers up for MLB & NFL steroids directly (George Mitchell, Disney Chairman is also the steroid auditor and TV contract supervisor) Lies and commercial conflicts is all you have to sell us Tony. We have plenty of propaganda here. No need to volunteer for more cancer.

One million high school teens abuse steroids in the USA today. Many of those kids play HS football. They are beginning with oral meds often before the 9th grade. Our children are doping earlier and earlier each year. Ridalin for the ACT, Winstrol and greenies for the football JVs. Marijuana after practice, ecstasy after the game.

Nobody gets recruited to LSU, University of Washington, Cal, Notre Dame, Michigan, Ohio State or USC without steroid abuse--PRIOR to camp.

Every person who plays college football receives injuries with lasting effects. Most NLF alumni are bi-polar cripples---and on daily drugs until death.

You have been outed Tony. Just like defending Stephen Alfred or his peers, the NFL was built on synthetic hormones. WR, DB, QB, TE, LB, FB to punters.

From Terrell Owens, to Ricky Williams, Maurice Clarett, to Todd Stauerbran, Todd Steusse, Jeff Mitchell, Terry Bradshaw, Steve Courson, Jim Haslett, Barrett Robbins, Dana Stubblefield, Rod Martin, Chris Cooper, Lawrence Taylor, Shawne Merriman, to Brian Bosworth, Bill Romanowski, et al. the whole doped bunch. They all lie on camera too! Just like in cycling.

NFL----never forget lying!

You're a joke! Your screen name is a joke. You speak of things you can not prove, therefore, you're simply a speculator, and also a mere spectator I might add as it is OBVIOUS you've never attained an elite level in athletics, or anything else for that matter.

Unfortunately, you have been jaded by something very sinister such that you find it impossible to press the "stop" button. It keeps playing over and over in your head and you continue ranting and raving. I have sympathy for you because your world must be very cold.

Furthermore, even you, YOU, of all people would be presumed innocent in a court of law if all the people you have slandered were to slap a lawsuit on your obviously broke behind. They would have to prove the claim against YOU, you would not be required to prove your innocence. Oops, my bad, I'm presuming you live in the US. From your ranting, I have my doubts. Nevertheless, I guess you are satisfied in playing judge and jury in the court of public opinion, which means nothing in the end.

Anyway, I'll leave you with this to illustrate my honesty - I use my real name on this board - why don't you???? Why are you hiding behind a screen name??? Food for thought...

I will not be responding further to you so you have my permission to post the last word as I know your ego needs it. Peace...
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Old 13-02.-2007, 07:50 PM   #22
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Stephen Alfred is as clean as the NFL, alumni included. And it is NOT libel if it is true. And it is very true, with plenty of evidence on file.

From testosterone and cortisone based steroids to asthma inhalers to amphetmaines, they all use drugs to do a job.

No hope w/o the dope. From the University of Washington to USC---steroids rock football, ubiquitous from high school to to the NFL. (never forget lying)

Tony would know that if he were for real.

Good luck in the Cat 5s. You'll need it if you lose any more weight. And learn the difference between slander and denial if you want to toss out accusations. Flubbed catches do not count in this league. FREE FLOYD! FREE TYLER!
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I will not be responding further to you so you have my permission to post the last word as I know your ego needs it. Peace...

Good job, Tony! Step aside while some faceless name caller goes on a further rant!

For what it's worth, I am interviewing the Spike Team Director in about 2 hours. The interview will be on FixedGearFever. I plan on discussing Alfred and other riders doping.

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So you want to free people who are pretty well implicated in doping? I am confused.

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Good job, Tony! Step aside while some faceless name caller goes on a further rant!

For what it's worth, I am interviewing the Spike Team Director in about 2 hours. The interview will be on FixedGearFever. I plan on discussing Alfred and other riders doping.

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They won't ever be honest with you re; testosterone, hGH, Deca Durabolin, insulin feeds, corticosteroids, Salbutamol, Viagra, amphetamines or their serial marriages, breakups, hook-ups, etc... or Stephen's USA Cycling long-time feud.

I suggest you write up a 'feel-good story draft' and read it to them. They will approve that and you can sign off. That's what most media requires.

And you knew that. Your so-called interview is wholly perfunctory.
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I suggest you write up a 'feel-good story draft' and read it to them. They will approve that and you can sign off. That's what most media requires.

And you knew that. Your so-called interview is wholly perfunctory.

I don't think many people you are accusing of using these drugs could afford them, to be perfectly honest.

The interview will be in a podcast format. I don't need approval from anybody to post stuff on FGF... nor do I need to hide behind a screen name.

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I don't think many people you are accusing of using these drugs could afford them, to be perfectly honest.

The interview will be in a podcast format. I don't need approval from anybody to post stuff on FGF... nor do I need to hide behind a screen name.

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The drugs are free my friend. Use them or wave bye bye.

You people are sooooooooo naive. The doping products are MORE relevant than than wheels, frame sets, tyres, handlebar tape, aerobars, air fare, motel.

Somehow all this stuff get provided. Drugs too!

Nobody is 'accusing Team Spike' of breathing oxygen---yet they do that, unless you are writing that 'Only Stephen breathed the air'
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In order to make real claims about a rider such as Blatchford, you must either be selling him stuff, using with him, or work for a lab and saw a test of his test that would bring his status into question. Blatchford on his best days is a 10.5-10.7 rider ?This time is fast, but hardly outside the capabilities of natural human performance. In order to say that he is on something there has to be some evidence other than rumor or the fact that one of his teamates got caught. You have brought nothing to the table other that sladerous remarks based on rumor................Oh wait you have educated us that some elite athletes us drugs. My one and only question that went unaswered is what is the "Flyer Time Standard" that makes arider automaticly a user. 11.0, 10.9.?????

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In order to make real claims about a rider such as Blatchford, you must either be selling him stuff, using with him, or work for a lab and saw a test of his test that would bring his status into question. Blatchford on his best days is a 10.5-10.7 rider ?This time is fast, but hardly outside the capabilities of natural human performance. In order to say that he is on something there has to be some evidence other than rumor or the fact that one of his teamates got caught. You have brought nothing to the table other that sladerous remarks based on rumor................Oh wait you have educated us that some elite athletes us drugs. My one and only question that went unaswered is what is the "Flyer Time Standard" that makes arider automaticly a user. 11.0, 10.9.?????
Would you be SURPRISED to learn that a 1984 Olympic medalist FAILED to win Gold due to a poor reaction to a blood transfusion???????

Sometimes doping RETARDS performance times. Ivan Basso had one bad day in the 2005 Giro----they fixed it quick.

In 1991 the entire PDM team overdosed on EPO, ran high fevers and had to abandon the TDF. Drug overdoses = poor performances

In 2004 Tyler Hamilton abandoned the Vuelta with a stomach ailment. (aka: drug busted) Again, a blood transfusion gone wrong.

Slow times are not proof of a clean liver enzyme screen.

You are slowly learning Billsworld. You still have a way to go.

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I dont think that Scott or I, or most other people have the belief that there are no drugs in the sport. I come from a powerlifting backgroud as well as bodybuilding. I competed lifetime clean and am clean. I for example squated 600 at 198 and 450 ~ Raw. (back then raw was only in the gym) In my gym those were very average drug free numbers.Even now if I train at certain gyms people ask clever round about questions that imply drug use, because I can squat 315 x10(again very average) and have more muscle than they do. The real problem is that they are pussies that are too F***ng lazy to climb under a squat bar. I also have a very close friend that could lift with the elites and was lifetime clean (800 squat at 181lbs)Everyone thought he was on . bla bla bla ... My main point is that it is wrong to slander Blatchford or any other individual , without direct evidence that he is a user. We are all aware that drugs are rampant in cycling and most other sports, its just innocent untill proven guilty as far as I am concerned . Anything else just pisses all over someone that is trying to do it clean.
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