Hilary Clinton

Crankyfeet

Baiting for an argument Tony? You'll find plenty of other cynics if you frequent internet forums...

There will be a percentage of the white population who won't vote for Obama, just because he is black, and irrespective of how good he is as a candidate. And there will be a percentage of black voters who vote for him, because he is black, and irrespective of how bad he is as a candidate.

Racism is not a virtue but exists unfortunately like infidelity does (and exists both ways... it's just that one side as more power than the other). I'd like to think that the majority of Americans will see him as a candidate on his own merits, and ignore racial stereotypes. If even 10% of whites voted against Obama for racist reasons... he wouldn't stand a chance...

Obama's candidacy (and polled good prospects in an election) is a punch in the face for those that think this country is filled with racists.

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Bro Deal

Krauthammer is a neocon and a hardcore zionist. He views everything through its potential effect on Israel. When Obama said he would be willing to talk to Syria and Iran, Krauthammer flipped out.

Here he is criticizing those who were upset with Bush's handling of Katrina:

In less enlightened times there was no catastrophe independent of human agency. When the plague or some other natural disaster struck, witches were burned, Jews were massacred and all felt better (except the witches and Jews).

A few centuries later, our progressive thinkers have progressed not an inch. No fall of a sparrow on this planet is not attributed to sin and human perfidy. The three current favorites are: (1) global warming, (2) the war in Iraq and (3) tax cuts. Katrina hits and the unholy trinity is immediately invoked to damn sinner-in-chief George W. Bush.

Yup, blaming Bush for flubbing the Katrina disaster is the same type of thinking that massacred jews. Krauthammer's views are about as objective as Rush Limbaugh's.

Evidently he is not that smart. He's in a wheelchair because he dove head first into the shallow end of a swimming pool.

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TheDarkLord

Thanks Bro! Good to know; it is hard to judge these writings without knowing this sort of background.

tonyzackery

My friend, just as I'm entitled to have and freely express my own opinion, you have the same and equal right...

Furthermre, the US is in fact a country filled with racists...and the democratic contest is peeling back the layers of the onion...the racist views will become more crystallized as white privilege feels it is becoming threatened by the possibility of a HNIC (head n***** in charge)...

lyotard

in the running for canuck top office again?
just between us, we may consider your pretense of racism as not stopping at the border then...

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Crankyfeet

I hope Obama gets to be president. It will make those who blame all their failings on racism, lose their key argument. With the country consisting of 73.9% whites, and only 12.2% African American, a black candidate wouldn't even be nominated, let alone stand a chance, in a racist nation.

Go Obama.

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wolfix

Racism is alive in this country. I have seen it first hand the past 6 months.......... But it comes at you from all races.

My views have changed considerably over the past 6 months.Some of the change is good, some is not. Some of my most basic philosphies in life have been shaken. My opinion of the human race is not what I would call "in high regard" anymore.


I have been to places where because I am white, the blacks would not help me. I have seen the Mexicans, illegal or not, go out of their way to make sure the black guys do not get accomplished that day what they are there to do.
I have seen whites go out of their way to blame Mexicans for the mistakes they made that particular day at their worksite.

Racism knows no color.

I deal with racism everyday. I met a recruiter for the KKK for Northern Alabama. I met and interact with coyotes on a regular basis. I trained a Kenyan to drive a truck. {He was a good driver, but did not understand the concept of north and south.]

I have been to places in the south here I could not get unloaded on time because I was a *Yankee. [Thank god for that. I have met boys from the south [Gergia, Miss. , Bama, Florida] that re-define "retarded" for me. I question if they have schools in that part of the country.]



I have yet to meet a white/Mexican Democrat over 25 that will vote for Obama.We know the reason why, even though they give a reason totally unrelated to race. But we know.

The most racist place I have been is Boston and that part of the NE. And in that group of racists, I include the black too.

America is what it is..............

I have tried to cut through some of the above perceptions of mine when confronted with them. But sometimes it is in my best interest to judge people by their sterotypes............[in my workplace only]. I am not concerned with changing the world anymore.

* Oh yeah... The north won that war. Get over it.

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Bro Deal

Obama won the nomination two months ago. At that point he had such a lead in the delegate count that Clinton would have had to win all the remaining states by twenty point margins to catch up. Since many of the states had demographics that favored Obama, that was not going to happen.

The press has been playing up the contest for their own purposes. Even now they are reluctant to state the obvious. They still portray the nomination in doubt. They have been creating the story as much as reporting on it. The reality is that the race is over. Clinton lost. She is staying in the race to make her run more historic; the closer she comes to the nomination, the more important she thinks her run is. She continues only for her own ego and does not care if she is damages Obama in the process.

The general election looks to be a toss up. I have no idea what is going to happen there. The primaries and the special elections that have occurred show that the Democrats can expect a huge turn out. Bush has thoroughly trashed the Republican ideals. It is also likely that the economy will get worse, perhaps a lot worse. Combine those two things with McCain's staunch support of an unpopular war and Obama has a chance that he might not have otherwise.

Obama will have to fight in order to win. He has let Clinton beat him up, and he has not done much to counter it. He has been limited by his need to maintain his persona of a uniter and a new kind of politician. He also had the advantage of only having to run out the clock. That won't work and won't be true in the general. He will need to hammer McCain and the Republicans.

I am starting to think that Obama should gamble big in the general election. Clarke and Webb are obvious choices for an older, white running mate to balance the ticked, but Richardson might be a better strategic choice. The danger is too much change too quickly will scare away too many whites, but if Richardson could deliver the latino vote then it might be worth it. That is something that only the Obama campaign knows because the political campaigns use more sophisticated polling and data modelling that the press uses.

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"You are like the wind and I like the lion. You form the tempest. The sand stings my eyes and the ground is parched. I roar in defiance but you do not hear. But between us there is a difference. I, like the lion, must remain in my place. While you like the wind will never know yours." -- Mulay Hamid El Raisuli, Lord of the Riff, Sultan to the Berbers, Last of the Barbary Pirates

Bro Deal

What the primary has shown is that the Clintons, who spent the early part of their poltical careers pretending to be the best friends of blacks, jumped at the opportunity to fan the flames of racism as soon as it would benefit themselves. Bill Clinton himself is reportedly angry as hell about Obama. People have related stories about Bill ranting at length about how he cannot understand how this "kid" is winning.

This "white privilege" stuff is a load. There is no conspiracy of whites where they get together to plan how to keep the black man down. Money means everything in the U.S. In general people don't care what color the man is who gives them financial advantage. Fears about how a candidate will affect the personal fortunes of each voter form the basis of most people's opposition to a particular candidate. Once opposition is set, things get nasty, and that often means the lower classes will express themselves in racist terms. It is misleading to tar the whole country based on the opinions and actions of what is currently a completely discredited segment of society.

Racism on a macro level in the U.S. is just a bunch of unscrupulous politicians, talking heads, pundits, and activists who manipulate those who harbor rascist tendencies to accomplish their goals. On the other hand there are a similar group of people who appeal to people's better inclinations and cry crocodile tears over people's baser feelings to accomplish their goals. The two sides are in opposition, but the appeal to racism has been steadily losing effectiveness with every generation.

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"You are like the wind and I like the lion. You form the tempest. The sand stings my eyes and the ground is parched. I roar in defiance but you do not hear. But between us there is a difference. I, like the lion, must remain in my place. While you like the wind will never know yours." -- Mulay Hamid El Raisuli, Lord of the Riff, Sultan to the Berbers, Last of the Barbary Pirates

Bro Deal

o0o

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"You are like the wind and I like the lion. You form the tempest. The sand stings my eyes and the ground is parched. I roar in defiance but you do not hear. But between us there is a difference. I, like the lion, must remain in my place. While you like the wind will never know yours." -- Mulay Hamid El Raisuli, Lord of the Riff, Sultan to the Berbers, Last of the Barbary Pirates

nns1400

How 'bout a black Supreme Court Justice, or a black woman Secretary of State? Facts are irrelevant, Crankster...

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This stuff is just crap...Hitchy

nns1400

Sorry, Bro, but you're dreaming....

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This stuff is just crap...Hitchy

Bro Deal

About what?

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"You are like the wind and I like the lion. You form the tempest. The sand stings my eyes and the ground is parched. I roar in defiance but you do not hear. But between us there is a difference. I, like the lion, must remain in my place. While you like the wind will never know yours." -- Mulay Hamid El Raisuli, Lord of the Riff, Sultan to the Berbers, Last of the Barbary Pirates

TheDarkLord

Ok, any commentary is basically the opinion of the author which is likely to be biased in various ways, but this commentary sums up my feelings about Clinton vs the democratic party (and the outcome of the election, although I would use the word "certain"): http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITIC...eref=rss_latest

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