Hilary Clinton

Originally Posted by Bro Deal

She got spanked at the delegate meeting on Saturday. It's clear that she won't fare any better if she challenges the deal seating MI and FL at the convention. Obama showed that he is in the Dem Party's driver's seat.

The Clinton campaign is letting key staffers go on Tuesday. These are staffers who would be required if she were to run a campaign for the general election during summer. That signals that she will probably concede or put her campaign on hold later this week.

I still would not be surprised if she tries to work out some sort of talking point so she gets more of the popular vote counted just so she can say she got closer to winning. Obama wants MI and FL seated at full strength, with a full vote at the convention. Of course this would happen after he has the nomination locked up, but maybe then Clinton will use the full strength seating to claim the full primary vote for herself. She is already claiming the popular vote in those primaries, but full seating might make it appear to be more legitimate to those who are currently scoffing at her claims. I'm sure she will be using the "I won the popular vote." claim as a cornerstone of the books she will write. Actually the full claim these days is, "I won the popular vote but sexism gave the nomination to an unqualified black man."

Originally Posted by Crankyfeet

Do you think she'll set her sights on 2012 (or 2016 if Obama serves 8) first before writing a tell-all "I was duped" book?

Originally Posted by Bro Deal

Interesting eight page article on Bill Clinton:

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/...7?currentPage=1

Originally Posted by Bro Deal

It is normal when one side buses in protesters.

The hardcore Clintonistas are nutters. Their blogs are full of racist comments, One of the bigger sites recently posted message warning commenters not to threaten to kill Obama and that the Secret Service is currently investigating two posters. Those types appear to be too riled up to do an about face.

I saw an analysis of the number of posters on hillaryis44 where shell scripts were used to count the number of unique posters and the comments that site. The numbers were then compared to one of the Obama leaning sites. hillaryis44 had few unique posters, and most of the comments were posted by an even fewer number of very active posters. It is evident that the Internet sites that are driving the split are made up of fringe elements, a good portion of which are probably Clinton campaign staffers. Once Clinton concedes, which could happen this coming week, a lot of that talk will disappear.

Ultimately the feminists that see Hillary as a symbol of their struggle against men will have to face up to the reality that a McCain presidency would be detrimental to their cause. Nearly all will fall into line.

Originally Posted by garage sale GT

Well, it looks like Hilary conceded.

Originally Posted by Bro Deal

No she didn't. Her speech on Tuesday was a disgrace. She did everything she could to steal Obama's moment.

Now the word is she will concede, or maybe just suspend her campaign, on Friday or Saturday.

Originally Posted by Bro Deal

No she didn't. Her speech on Tuesday was a disgrace. She did everything she could to steal Obama's moment.

Now the word is she will concede, or maybe just suspend her campaign, on Friday or Saturday.

Originally Posted by TheDarkLord

In that case, giving her the VP would be a big mistake. She will be trying to steal the limelight to herself all the time during campaigning.

Originally Posted by TheDarkLord

In that case, giving her the VP would be a big mistake. She will be trying to steal the limelight to herself all the time during campaigning.

Originally Posted by jhuskey

She would be too agressive as a VP and try to be in charge imo...

Originally Posted by Bro Deal

What the primary has shown is that the Clintons, who spent the early part of their poltical careers pretending to be the best friends of blacks, jumped at the opportunity to fan the flames of racism as soon as it would benefit themselves. Bill Clinton himself is reportedly angry as hell about Obama. People have related stories about Bill ranting at length about how he cannot understand how this "kid" is winning.

This "white privilege" stuff is a load. There is no conspiracy of whites where they get together to plan how to keep the black man down. Money means everything in the U.S. In general people don't care what color the man is who gives them financial advantage. Fears about how a candidate will affect the personal fortunes of each voter form the basis of most people's opposition to a particular candidate. Once opposition is set, things get nasty, and that often means the lower classes will express themselves in racist terms. It is misleading to tar the whole country based on the opinions and actions of what is currently a completely discredited segment of society.

Racism on a macro level in the U.S. is just a bunch of unscrupulous politicians, talking heads, pundits, and activists who manipulate those who harbor rascist tendencies to accomplish their goals. On the other hand there are a similar group of people who appeal to people's better inclinations and cry crocodile tears over people's baser feelings to accomplish their goals. The two sides are in opposition, but the appeal to racism has been steadily losing effectiveness with every generation.