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Old 13-11.-2006, 11:46 PM   #46
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Show me which of these campaigns were defensive i.e in defence of the US.
Military action is either defensive or offensive.If you want to argue that it is acceptable for the US to invade other countries to "protect American interests",then you have to accept that it is acceptable for other countries to protect their interests by attacking the US.
Anything else is rank hypocrisy.
Why don't you do a search...and show me any other country with that record of military intervention in other countries. There is no other country with that record and you know it.



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Listen...this is easy. YOU were the one who made the allegation.....so if these aren't your TOP 3 then tell me what they are. I already copped to Iraq..so I won't argue that one. After that what do you have? If the USA is the most aggressive war waging country in the world then it shouldn't be difficult to come up with a couple that we started.

In the last century...GERMANY....was by FAR the most aggressive war waging country on the planet IMO......yet I don't hear a peep out of you about them.

In the last 500 years I think England would rank pretty high on the list of war waging aggressors too but somehow they get a pass?

So....tell us Steve....since YOU made the allegation.....What are the top 3?

I've asked you in about 5 different posts and you still won't produce.....so I think shut up is kind of appropriate.

If you want me to leave you alone then retract your statement or simply produce YOUR top 3 wars that were aggressively waged by the USA on another country.

This is fun watching you backtrack.
It would serve no purpose to try to rank wars in some sort of undefined order,other than chronological.
You challenged me to come up with evidence that the US had attacked Spain,Mexico or the Phillippines and the evidence is there.They were some of the early wars in the last hundred years or so,from a very long list which I have posted already and which you are doing your best to deny. Anyone who looks at the list...posted again...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ions_since_1945
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can see what the record of the US,particularly in Central America,has been.

So...how many wars did Germany start?
The three that I have already listed (Spain,Mexico,the Phillippines) were all started by the US before WW1. The link above contains the rest of the overt wars. There are many other covert wars of course.
England's record over the last 500 years cannot be compared to the record of the US over the last 100 years.
How many wars has Britain started...in the last 100 years?
If you think I want to be "left alone"....BBWWAAAAAhaaahaaahaaa If I didn't welcome the opportunity to see you expose your ignorance,your inability to frame any sort of coherent argument or produce any evidence to refute my argument, then I would simply not respond to the nonsense that you post. As it happens,it amuses me to watch you twist and turn on the skewer.

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All wars are offensive!

Of course they are...apart from the War on Sobriety,which I didn't start,but I'm going to "stay the course".
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Old 14-11.-2006, 12:05 AM   #49
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Of course they are...apart from the War on Sobriety,which I didn't start,but I'm going to "stay the course".



As you have been told before. Quiting alcohol is easy. I've done it a thousand time.
On the other hand you can always blame the WMD (Whiskey of Mass Distillation).
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Of course they are...apart from the War on Sobriety,which I didn't start,but I'm going to "stay the course".


...i have not yet received my booking information for the mel gibson clinic...

...i'm beginning to suspect this is yet another internet scam...
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It would serve no purpose to try to rank wars in some sort of undefined order,other than chronological.
You challenged me to come up with evidence that the US had attacked Spain,Mexico or the Phillippines and the evidence is there.They were some of the early wars in the last hundred years or so,from a very long list which I have posted already and which you are doing your best to deny. Anyone who looks at the list...posted again...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ions_since_1945
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can see what the record of the US,particularly in Central America,has been.

So...how many wars did Germany start?
The three that I have already listed (Spain,Mexico,the Phillippines) were all started by the US before WW1. The link above contains the rest of the overt wars. There are many other covert wars of course.
England's record over the last 500 years cannot be compared to the record of the US over the last 100 years.
How many wars has Britain started...in the last 100 years?
If you think I want to be "left alone"....BBWWAAAAAhaaahaaahaaa If I didn't welcome the opportunity to see you expose your ignorance,your inability to frame any sort of coherent argument or produce any evidence to refute my argument, then I would simply not respond to the nonsense that you post. As it happens,it amuses me to watch you twist and turn on the skewer.

KEEP'EM COMIN', BILLY-BOB! KEEP'EM COMIN"!



Don't forget the US wars by proxy, especially as you say in South America.

Guatemala, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Chile were all conflicts in which the USA played a very significant role : where US "support" for militias was widespread and included financing, logistical and the supply of military hardware.
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...i have not yet received my booking information for the mel gibson clinic...

...i'm beginning to suspect this is yet another internet scam...
You're right...it's a scam to get your credit details.
How do you think I can afford to stay drunk all the time?

Fortunately,Craggy Island has no extradition treaties with anyone.If we did,the whole island would be forcibly depopulated in minutes.We gave up the extradition business when our attempt to extradite some Swedish girls for "International moral turpitude" failed.
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As you have been told before. Quiting alcohol is easy. I've done it a thousand time.
On the other hand you can always blame the WMD (Whiskey of Mass Distillation).
...and the other WMD...Women of Moral Delinquency...they've driven me to drink many times.It was only a short drive and I didn't have to go out of my way much though.
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Yes. What is up w/ the constant drum beat of bitterness from him
Because like most of the hypocritical, delusional hard-right wingers, wolfux figures that if he repeats something often enough (ie: lies, distortions, denials) people will start to believe it.

This GOP strategy certainly has worked on him and his ilk.
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IIRC,it was Thomas Jefferson who warned against "foreign entanglements". The warning has been forgotten.

No. it was G. Washington. Never the less, the monroe doctrine only applied to the western (n. & s. america) hemisphere. You do , however make some very pertininent points.
On another note, Capitalism is about "expanding markets". Ask the Chinese. We didn't invent it. To engage in the expanded markets one must have a certain amt. of security. Why do you think my country's warship challenged that civilian transport in Scotland Seriously though, if you invest you want guarantees that there will be security.
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It would serve no purpose to try to rank wars in some sort of undefined order,other than chronological.


It wouldn't serve your purpose. Back track all you like. The hate club will take your side....those with an IQ larger than their waist will see that you have zero credibility to back up what you allege.

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You challenged me to come up with evidence that the US had attacked Spain,Mexico or the Phillippines and the evidence is there.They were some of the early wars in the last hundred years or so,from a very long list which I have posted already and which you are doing your best to deny. Anyone who looks at the list...posted again...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ions_since_1945
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This is the most retarded attempt at "evidence" I have ever seen. Let's take an example:

"1912 -- Turkey. - November 18 to December 3. US forces guarded the American legation at Constantinople during a Balkan War.

If your cool with calling that aggressive war waged by the US....then I guess you're right. We're bloodthirsty.

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can see what the record of the US,particularly in Central America,has been.

So...how many wars did Germany start?


They are peaceful...and not American so I guess that would mean none. It must have been our fault.

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The three that I have already listed (Spain,Mexico,the Phillippines) were all started by the US before WW1. The link above contains the rest of the overt wars. There are many other covert wars of course.
England's record over the last 500 years cannot be compared to the record of the US over the last 100 years.


You're right...because the US over the last 100 years is almost non-existent.

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How many wars has Britain started...in the last 100 years?

I'd say as many as America. Considering they are our most trusted ally on the planet.

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If you think I want to be "left alone"....BBWWAAAAAhaaahaaahaaa If I didn't welcome the opportunity to see you expose your ignorance,your inability to frame any sort of coherent argument or produce any evidence to refute my argument, then I would simply not respond to the nonsense that you post. As it happens,it amuses me to watch you twist and turn on the skewer.

Well...could you start exposing something then...because all you've done is back track and try to twist defending our embassy into waging war.

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Ok. Could you name one...actual war...other than Iraq?

How about 1? Not a skirmish...not a flag raising....an "aggressive war".
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No. it was G. Washington. Never the less, the monroe doctrine only applied to the western (n. & s. america) hemisphere. You do , however make some very pertininent points.
On another note, Capitalism is about "expanding markets". Ask the Chinese. We didn't invent it. To engage in the expanded markets one must have a certain amt. of security. Why do you think my country's warship challenged that civilian transport in Scotland Seriously though, if you invest you want guarantees that there will be security.
We are both correct.It was both Washington and Jefferson who used the phrase on several occasions.
How many foreign bases does China have,to ensure the security of their investments,particularly in the US?
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Ok. Could you name one...actual war...other than Iraq?

How about 1? Not a skirmish...not a flag raising....an "aggressive war".
Still waiting for your response to the US war on Spain (which was quite incapable of posing any threat to the security of the United States),the invasion of Mexico (one of many,as it turns out) or the invasion of the Philippines (which during the subsequent war cost at least 250,000 Filipino lives,most of them civilians).
Those wars were certainly aggressive wars,weren't they?

I will,in due course,move on to the other elephants lurking in the room.BTW,Germany started two wars during the twentieth century.As I have shown,the US had already started three in the early years before the Germans even got going.
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...technically, germany only started one war in the twentieth century. their involvement in the first one was due to their associations with the austro-hungarian empire.

one word of thanks though for reminding me of america's subduing of the moro tribesmen in the phillipines. really proud of that one. also pershing's invasion of mexico in pursuit of pancho villa. how can any foreigner not see us as a peaceful, fun loving country? what rotters.

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"1912 -- Turkey. - November 18 to December 3. US forces guarded the American legation at Constantinople during a Balkan War.
..because all you've done is back track and try to twist defending our embassy into waging war.
I did no such thing.What I have done is post a list of military events and contained in that list are the aggressive acts by the US. You're being dishonest because you know quite well that I'm right.
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