Ginseng

CapeRoadster

So how do you define "trying to help"?

Ric and I don't mind each other. We're used to the way it is in scientific conferences and circles, I'm sure. We challenge each other and debate. It's usually fun, challenging and interesting. You folks have to lighten up.

Remember that research results are distributed along a bell curve. Outliers exist where the majority of persons do not respond, and that does not rule out that YOU may respond to the actions of a drug or herb. When drug companies say that "side effects are rare", that really means that some people will experience them. Why is that? The reverse is true for drugs and herbs where most people do not experience an effect: SOME DO.

Ginseng clearly works, and so does rhodiola. Good luck. I have a bronchiectasis patient who uses ginseng and the effects aren't placebo. This guy is a total skeptic. His M.D. supports his use of it. Chiropractic works for asthma, too. The studies do not yet exist for most of the good effects of foods, herbals and botanical medicines, yet my M.D. patients all seem to be getting off their little pills. Hmmm...

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KellyT

Tricky. Obviously you have to state a view and be prepared to defend it, if you want to participate. It's when it begins to become repetitive and self perpetuating, that the helping part has left the 'field of play', and it's something else after that. Something unattractive and unhelpful.

As for Ginseng I have only used it a little and not enough to form a clear opnion of how I feel it has worked. I have used Gingko Biloba to try to battle (horrendous) bouts of tinitus, and frankly it definitely has a positive effect. I shouldn't wonder that a double blinded lab test would quite possibly show Gingko as not doing anything. Hence I would rather form my own views.

I look forward to my Rhodiola arriving and if it is as useful in it's way as Gingko is, then it will have been a well worthwhile effort.

ratboy83

i didn't make that stuff up dude. i learnt it from a book called "The Complete Guide To Sports Nutrition" by Anita Bean, a well respected figure in her field, so i guess she'll have to try again when the next edition of the book comes out. i'll put it again on the training forum. i'm intrigued by the fact that two experts can have such differeing views over such an issue if you say that what i've written will be corrected by Dr Coggan. laters dude.

alex.

CapeRoadster

Gingko biloba is clearly dangerous for those taking blood thinners like Coumadin and Warfarin, as it attenuates the effects of those drugs. Therefore, it must be a blood thinner. It works for both tinnitus and memory loss that is a result of circulatory problems. It's also used to prevent altitude sickness. It works well. There was a study that showed it didn't work for memory loss, but the research subjects did not all have memory loss related to a circulatory problem. The study was DESIGNED to fail. Think the makers of Rx blood thinners had anything to do with that? Hope that helps.

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CapeRoadster

Lactate and lactic acid are not quite the same thing.

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I love France. I just hate Toulouse. I'd really hate to lose le Trek.