A reminder about Bush & Cheney: the Cowardly Liars

Weisse Luft

99.9% of enlistees in the combined US armed forces have high school diplomas. Beats the general public by at least 10 percentge points.

Sure, back when LBJ was President and we had an abomination for Sec. of Defense, we had very low standards for draftees. But that was back in the 1960s...

Furthermore, 68% career non-commissioned officers (upper enlsited) in combat arms HAVE BACHELOR'S DEGREES.

Carrera

Apart from the sad fact he looks a bit like a cross between Lurch and an undertaker, I felt John Kerry ran a great campaign. His argument about Bush rushing to war seems to have been proven, now Bush seems to be contemplating a withdrawel.
However, the remarks Kerry made have obviously damaged him and he slipped up big time. I figure what he meant was troops have usually always been used as fodder by politicians and then you have cases like Lyndie England.
I mean, let's face facts, Lyndie England wasn't the brightest spark in town and was betrayed by those above her when they sold her down the river.
Miss England was exploited by her superiors who noted she wasn't quite bright enough to question what she was being urged to do - i.e. humiliate POW's.
Personally, I've got nothing against fighting a war when you're up against psychotic despots such as Hitler who are invading other countries with a powerful army. However, I think too may troops are being used by greedy politicians, many of whom could care less about their welfare or mental health.

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mastronaut

As bad as the communists here hate Bush, just think of how lucky we are not to have 'Lurch' in the White House! That idiot stands for everything wrong with the left in America today. Face it, he just blew any chance (which was very slim anyway), for the Dems power grab of the House and Senate with his 'joke' aimed at the military.

Carrera

It was one of those big mistakes you can make in public life. I know what Kerry meant but the troops in Iraq won't see it that way. He handed Bush a big card to play.
The Democrats need Hilary Clinton. I think this woman could stand a decent chance - even Madonna was saying on T.V. how she would like to see Hilary as the next President.
At the end of the day, Kerry shouldn't be in this position. He's the one who's been proven right over Iraq but that was a very stupid mistake he made when he insulted the army as dumb-wits.

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mastronaut

Disdain, not mistake! Madonna's opinion? What, other than entertaining some people, has her opinion got to do with anything? Hillary is a two faced arse like her BJ loving husband. In my opinion she is worse than Bill due to the mere fact she is not divorced from him.

wolfix

The worst thing that could happen to Hillary is having Madonna speak on her behalf....
I'm not sure, but I have mentioned before that Madonna is a whore?

Kerry does not represent the majority of thr Democratic party voters. People think Democrats are liberals. Some are, but not very many. Your lkargest voting block of dems are your blue collar rednecked UAW worker. Or other hourly laborer...
The average blue collar worker does not stand for gay marriage or welfare for the masses. They are the ones running around with "I support the troops" sticker on their car....... They were the ones that went to Viet-Nam and came home without calling our troops rapists.....
The dems keep putting the Kerry's, Deans, and kennedys on the ballots. And they wonder why they lose.

The liberals in the Dem Party are out of touch..... they think all Dems think as they do. The leaders in the democratic Party do not know who their voters are.
Think of the easy election Kerry had in front on him in 004..... He lost..
Think Bill Clinton in 1992.. He was coming up to a President who was extremly popular,no one knew who Clinton was, and yet , he won.......

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Carrera

This Madonna thing has me stumped. I saw her on a TV interview and you can't help but feel that just maybe she really does care about the situation in the Third World. She said she found her adopted child in a pretty shocking condition in an orphanage hospital and formed a bond with the child. Meantime the papers are continuing to accuse her of baby-napping and of being selfish. Even some black people are likening her to a rich white slave trader.
I think she deserves a chance before we jump in and judge.
If she's sincere then she has my admiration for getting involved but I'll bet Guy Richie finds it hard to deal with as Madonna is in a no win situation. Plus, the father may change his mind later on and it could split her family in two.

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Carrera

Hmmm, I'm not sure the alternative is so good. You either have good old Lurch at the helm or Bush. I don't think Bush is particularly quite the evil, psychopathic cad Wurm portrays him to be but neither do I see him in a very positive light either.
At the end of the day, he rushed to war, didn't plan for the aftermath and may well leave that country as an open field for terrorists to occupy and exploit. This isn't really such a successful policy and Bush produced no WMD evidence or can show any real sigh of democracy in Iraq.
Personally, I'd go for Lurch or Hilary but Lurch may well have ruined his opportunity.

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Weisse Luft

Wurm

Well folks, here's one from someone who knows:



http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/10/31/175122/71

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Carrera

I think Bush knows himself his policy failed. What was meant to happen was the kind of transition you see in South American countries after the CIA intervene but Iraq was too complex and cuturally removed for that to happen. I can see a full withdrawel on the cards.
What we now have is an awful mess with terrorists running riot all over the country, a strengthening of Iran and the Shia and the potential for a full-scale Middle East War that could drag Israel in.
Personally, I preferred Saddam. At least there was some equality for women in Iraq and some order in the country.
I think John Kerry was proved right over the war but now he needs to learn to keep his trap shut as he's handing Bush fresh opportunities to cover up his blunders.

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Wurm

HOWEVER,

this thread is not about Kerry, it is about Bush and Cheney - the Chicken-Shits in Chief who flap their lying traps about "our brave men and women in the military", blah blah and et cetera, to the point of sickening revulsion.

In reality, they do not possess the basic humanity and deference to provide proper equipment to the military that they cynically like to "praise" so much, or sufficient care and compensation to the injured veterans of their illegal and immoral conflicts. In reality, one was a stateside wartime deserter, the other a feckless 5-time draft dodger.

Bush and Cheney are shameless and devoid of any and all honor - even that slight measure that would be as they say, 'among thieves'. How they have the guts to stand before TV cameras and hurl the pablum and lies like they do I don't know. How they can look their own children in the eyes is an even greater mystery.

They are the lowest of the low, in the same company as Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Imperial Japan, and the other torturous, murderous despots throughout human history. What the Bush administration has done differs not in form, only in degree - hundreds of thousands instead of millions, thus far.

Both need to be bound in the public square for several days - for all to ridicule and spit on - with the long list of names of the troops and innocents they've killed strung around their necks, then tried in international court for their war crimes.

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Carrera

Troops are most often betrayed and exploited. I was shocked to hear about British troops returning from Iraq and winding up homeless on the streets. Meantime, you get radical clerics coming to London and drawing a fortune in welfare and free housing. It beggars belief.
Personally, I wouldn't fight a war for anybody under those conditions. I'd personally hand Blair a rifle and let him take up arms if he feels so strongly. The same goes for the entire Party around him.
I understand in the U.S. it's not quite so bad and many of the U.S. troops get well paid and are looked after in many cases. Mind you, I do think Lyndie England was exploited and manipulated into behaving immorally as she believed she was helping her country. Then they sold her out and she wasn't the brightest spark in town.

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wolfix

Wasn't this thread about Lance Armstrong and if he doped? Or was it about Madonna being a whore? I get so confused these days .

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