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02-11.-2006, 09:38 AM

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Re: cornering at high speed - Criteriums

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riders used to grease their tires before criteriums to enhance the cornering

Thats a new one on me. It sounds ridiculous. Helmut have you got a link to something that will explain that to those born post that time?

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02-11.-2006, 11:20 AM	#17
MPCRUSHER Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 146	Re: cornering at high speed - Criteriums I really hope there are no beginning cyclists that read your post that are also new to the english language. I reckon there is a real possibility that it could be taken seriously. God Help them. Helmutrule you truly are eeeeeeevilllllllll he he he he.

02-11.-2006, 11:45 AM

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Thats a new one on me. It sounds ridiculous. Helmut have you got a link to something that will explain that to those born post that time?

HL&S mike.

02-11.-2006, 12:24 PM

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HL&S mike.

I thought it was BS, but there have been stranger things in the past. tyres are made from oil, could of been some sort of impregnation of the rubber thing, provided the extra was completely wiped off, so I wasn't going to say "thats BS" and then get proven wrong. Hey I've already had to eat my words about where I said Bayliss would come in the motogp race.

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02-11.-2006, 12:32 PM

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Who could blame you after his disastrous season in 2004 where the stupid mechanics were clearly not applying enough tyre grease. How many times did he end up playing in the sandpit that year? Just about every race, and all for the want of a little bit of goo.

02-11.-2006, 01:26 PM

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This will help if pedal strike is the issue, but if not there won't be any gain...

Agreed. I do this on my fixed-wheel, if pedal-strike is likely to be an issue, but it doesn't serve a lot of purpose otherwise, unless putting extra side strain on the wheels can be considered a purpose.

03-11.-2006, 05:11 AM

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I thought it was BS...

Tire grease? You thought tire grease was BS?

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03-11.-2006, 10:09 AM

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Re: cornering at high speed - Criteriums

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I haven't seen anyone do this in years, but back in the 70s -- I know stevebaby can attest to this since he was racing in the pro peloton back then -- riders used to grease their tires before criteriums to enhance the cornering. It's not done as much now, but if you google or go to your local bicycle shop and ask, I'm sure you find a big tub of tire grease at a reasonable price.

The front tire is most important, but the rear tire should also have liberal helpings of tire grease applied. Also, it's important to hang the tires up in a closet or a dark area and let the grease work its way into the tires before putting them on the rim and reapplying more tire grease.

It works best in the rain.

When I was racing and missed a couple paydays, i'd just opt for Cresco. Works just as well.

Good luck with it.

Tyre greasing seems to have fallen from favour.In the good old days before racing became a slave to commercialism,riders would often help each other out by greasing each other's tyres.No thanks were expected...riders just did it quietly out of a spirit of sportsmanship.That sort of cameraderie doesn't exist anymore,more's the pity.
IMHO,the riders just don't seem to enjoy themselves as much as we used to,Helmut.Do you recall all the jokes and stunts we used to pull on each other? What wonderful days they were! I'll never forget the roars of happy laughter in the peloton when Eddie flipped his bidon into my back wheel causing me to crash into the crowd.Even the old lady whose leg was broken laughed! Sure I had to spit a few teeth out and my shoulder was shattered...but it was all in the spirit of fun! And eye-gouging! How can I forget the playful way Miguel and I exchanged a few joyful eye-gouges on Stage 10 of the 1975 Vuelta! I felt so honoured that I haven't washed that eye since! And what about goosing? There hasn't been any decent goosing since Lance goosed Marco over Mont Ventoux in 2000. Sadly,riders don't give that sort of assistance to their brothers in racing these days. Now it's all EPO and steroids. In my day,10 pints of bitter and a handful of bennies before each stage worked well for us,and as for all this fancy nutrition....a bucket of frites gave us all the carbs we needed,thank you!
But I digress from the topic of greasing. Just like skiers,we all had our special formulae for different conditions. In the hot and dusty conditions of the Giro,for example,I used KY on my tyres. It was readily available in Italy, (every bar had a display stand of the stuff prominently displayed),prevented cracks in the tyre rubber and very versatile. I used it quite liberally on my seatpost.
Aaaaahh....the good old days.....

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03-11.-2006, 11:25 AM	#24
Thylacine Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,992	Re: cornering at high speed - Criteriums I think the old saying was "A dollop for the knicks, a dollop for the slicks" if I remember correctly. __________________ Have you earned your stripes? <clicky...or DIE!

03-11.-2006, 09:01 PM

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Re: cornering at high speed - Criteriums

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By "grease" are you referring to the tire softenning compounds commonly used by drag racers during burnouts?

04-11.-2006, 12:07 AM

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Re: cornering at high speed - Criteriums

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By "grease" are you referring to the tire softenning compounds commonly used by drag racers during burnouts?

No, actually, they called it tire grease -- in France is was actually Tire' Greeeseae' -- but that was just a marketing campaign. Some good old fashioned Phil Wood grease worked just as well. Still does IMHO.

Whatever happened to drinking a pint of vodka before a crit. They still doing that? Boy, times have changed. One pint of vodka, some tire grease on a wet down town crit course... I pine for days. I really do.

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22-11.-2006, 08:58 PM	#27
BornInZion Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 46	Re: cornering at high speed - Criteriums Another way to build bike handling confidence is to take your road bike off road. One winter a buddy and I were just messing around with a little daring do, and challenged each other to a race up a local fire road on our road bikes. We had such a blast we began to keep an eye out for other "venues". That winter we spent a lot of time in open fields, bmx tracks and such. Looking back, I'm surprised we didn't ruin our wheels! Come spring and club rides, we were surprised that our bike handling skills were so sharp- there were no obstacles on a road trip that could dismay us. If you are open to something fun and unconventional, it will expand your perceived limits. Cheers! __________________ Some people say the world is round, and others say the world is flat. But I say it is mostly uphill!

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