Flash: Pope Blasts Islam

2FAST4U

Yes, you are correct and you can fit them all in a full size mini van and they are as powerful as Ali is today....

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limerickman

..................................that's bollox.

You posted your comment of "support" three days prior to the murder of that nun.

In addition, the Holy Father has said that the comment made by Byzantine emperor Manuel II Paleologus, does not reflect his (The Pope's) personal view of Islam.

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morelike hypocrisy.

limerickman

No Roman Catholic can disown what was done by the Church in the 14th and 15th century.
What happened during the Cruscades and the Inquisition happened.

Ditto in Islam - they conquered Spain and regions of Southern Europe and committed atrocities too.

We could all cite what happened in the past centuries to apportion blame.

No one from the present day was responsible for what happened centuries ago.

If anyone read the full text of the Popes address at Regensberg last Tuesday - and I posted this at the time - it is apaprent on reading his speech that the Pope was not giving his view on Islam in that address.
(read the transcript of his speech).

I think that it is important for Islam to read the Pope's full speech - in now ay was Benedict attacking Islam.

if the speech was confied to that one statement, then Islam would have a point about Benedict insulting Islam.

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morelike hypocrisy.

EoinC

I'm going with the All Blacks - their showing in the Tri-Nations indicates that they have 2 full teams worth of World Class players...

EoinC

I'll pick an easy one, JH - The genocidal Lord's Resistance Army in Uganda, or doesn't that count because it's in Africa? Hang on, Somalia is in Africa, too. As usual, I'm confused...

jhuskey

There are a lot more than one would think. They maintain a low profile for the most part.
I would estimate there numbers above 1 million to several million, but that is only a guess.

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jhuskey

It only counts if you are the slayer or the slayee. Actually I don't discriminate on national origin or race. A genocidial maniac is a maniac by any other name.

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2FAST4U

Lim, Lim, Lim…..You do like to start arguments don’t you?...



Well, first of all Lim, the Holy Father repeated the emperors statement for a reason Lim. Obviously Lim, after all the fallout, he is going to try and defuse a completely ridiculous situation where these Muslim fascist are trying to stir up trouble. His comments included the reading of this statement and they are focused on that portion specifically. I find this disgusting…Don’t you?



Lim, second, I stated that I supported the Popes comments period. The murder of that innocent nun occurred two days after my post (you are very astute yet you need to update your watch.) but it is still evidence that these fascist are proving the excerpt to be accurate. Lim if you are trying to initiate some sort of argument/debate with me, perhaps you should pick another topic or theory as this attempt here is truly pitiful…Lim, you are capable of much better….Please calm down Lim.

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Carrera

"If anyone read the full text of the Popes address at Regensberg last Tuesday - and I posted this at the time - it is apaprent on reading his speech that the Pope was not giving his view on Islam in that address.
(read the transcript of his speech)."

I can't really comment fully as to whether those views reflected the Pope's personal views or not. What's certain is the Vatican is trying to calm things down but whether it's too late or not is anybody's guess. The fact appears to be that in London, protesters have been waving banners and not all of them are prepared to listen to any reason.

"No one from the present day was responsible for what happened centuries ago."

The problem with all monotheistic religions is they give too many people license to assume they alone possess the absolute truth. What troubles me is all these cases of mobs of people shouting and screaming in the streets on account of others who may not accept their religious ideas.
I couldn't really care less what particular religious denomination goes in for the screaming and shouting. What it all suggests to me is fear. It's as if there are people out there who have closed up their minds to any rational analysis so as soon as they hear any criticism they shout "blasphemy!"
This happened in Europe in the Middle Ages as well.
As for history, it seems to me the Christian fundamentalists and Islamic radicals are causing a heap of problems today, as they have done in the past. They are finding their way more and more into politics.





We could all cite what happened in the past centuries to apportion blame.

No one from the present day was responsible for what happened centuries ago.

If anyone read the full text of the Popes address at Regensberg last Tuesday - and I posted this at the time - it is apaprent on reading his speech that the Pope was not giving his view on Islam in that address.
(read the transcript of his speech).

I think that it is important for Islam to read the Pope's full speech - in now ay was Benedict attacking Islam.

if the speech was confied to that one statement, then Islam would have a point about Benedict insulting Islam.[/QUOTE]

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snyper0311

Sorry, I've been sick for the last few days, so I haven't posted. Since this whole thing started, the pope has mad several public appologies and the Muslims still insist on public appologies! Why? When is it enough? And when comments are made about Christianity, do we go on a rampage and demand the same?

wolfix

It is true they do not have the power they once had..... But they still out there among us. Go to southern Missouri and ask around..... I think there are places there that still have their name on signs outside their"clubhouse."

Several years ago I watched a protest by them in another Midwestern town. They are among us. And they are not the "skinheaded" type of people you vision them as on the "Jerry Springer Show."

Let's do hope they do go away though.

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2FAST4U

Yeah...let them bring a sword to a gunfight...

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Carrera

What I've been trying to get across is that the 3 main global religions, Christianity, Islam and Judaism have all caused problems throughout different stages in history.
Jews in biblical times were just as problematic to the Romans as extremist moslems are today to the U.S. Christians have likewise carried out the most horrendous acts, basing negro slavery on verses in the Old Testament, wiping out South American Indians, carrying out witch hunts and persecuting scientists and progressive thinkers.
There are signs some of this is making a comeback in the U.S. with creatonism teaching being forced on kids in Southern schools (or even cases of kids being brainwashed).
My position is fairly clear that I don't think Islamic extremism should be tolerated whatsoever, but I wouldn't go so far as to claim Islam alone produces extremists. My gripe is with monotheistic religion as a whole.

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2FAST4U

I must admit, I've never been to Missouri nor do I watch Springer. However, it just seems that whenever you see them try and put on some protest, there are about 10-15 of them that show up and they are usually getting their A#$'s kicked etc... I think they are truly finished here..We can only hope that it is as it looks anyway...

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