Flash: Pope Blasts Islam

FredC

In that case perhaps the Moslems could remind the Pope,about the Ambrosio Bank and its dirty dealings. Bring in the secret P2 lodges, and remind him of the Murder of the Chief Banker, Roberto Calvi.

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Carrera

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"Everybody has a philosophy. However, what philosophy you have is a matter of choice, and most people don't make a conscious choice with regard to what philosophy they accept."

Carrera

Only Booger Boongkins could pacify the current situation.

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Carrera

I've always know and confessed myself as being "nuts" but these days I'm beginning to think the world is going totally nuts. What's going on?
First you have the cartoons, then you have Madonna being crucified on stage in one of her shows and facing charges in Germany, next you have David Soul upsetting the Jesus community and now the Pope causing demonstrations worldwide.
Why do people get so upset when someone else has a dig at their beliefs? Hell, Jesus even hung around with women who would make Madonna seem like Mary Poppins.

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limerickman

Pope Benedict didn't say that the teachings of Islam are bad.

The Pope was discussing the fact that a dialogue between Catholicism and Islam - in a theological context - is extremely difficult.
The Pope stated that because of the difference in both respective religions derive their teachings, such dialogue on a theological level is very limited.
That is not to say that such dialogue should not be attempted - but that a dialogue should be ongoing and should try to engage in several levels, notably reason.

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morelike hypocrisy.

limerickman

I wasn't saying that you shouldn't express a view - because you're an atheist/agnostic.
I was surprised that given you're statement that you do not believe - that a speech about religion (and the reaction to that speech) would be of interest to you.
That's all.

And as for carrying salt - it helps to melt the ice on the roads when pedalling.

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.."But finally the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in cycling, the cynics and the sceptics. I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. [I]I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. You should believe in these athletes, and you should believe in these people. I'll be a fan of the Tour de France for as long as I live. And there are no secrets" - this is a hard sporting event and hard work wins it - Armstrong 2005 TDF
morelike hypocrisy.

Don Shipp

Carrera, the Muslims who are getting hot and bothered by this are being misinformed by their own leaders and media.
Er.....
in that respect perhaps they're not so different than us.

Anyway, the Pope was quoting the transcript of some religious debate from several hundred years ago, (although that means nothing to the Catholic Church,) and if I remember my history right the original speaker would have been an opponent of the Catholic Church.
BTW, please can you argue without all the copy-and-pasting? I don't know when you're giving us your real opinion and when you're just quoting the tabloids.

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wolfix

Let's take this one step farther.....Trying to ride a bicyle around a country, up mountains in an attempt to be faster then the othe guy is daft. I like daft. Personally I have had every bike I own and ride blessed by the local priest. I also have attached a pendant from the Madonna del Ghisallo chapel in Italy on both my bikes.


* Also, the salt you see cyclists carrying is probably something else.

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Carrera

I don't get it. We've seen this before with The Satanic Verses. Most of the people burning images and books on the streets of Tehran hadn't even read the book so they had no idea what was what. Now we see it again and again. It's all well and good pointing out what the Pope may have intended to say but these folks aren't going to buy it. So far as they're concerned, the Pontifex insulted Islam and they're angry.
Religion has always been this way - it's held civilization back for centuries. It's not for me, I'm afraid. The only thing that's going to save this planet is science and self-help not calling on Allah to come down from the clouds, or Jesus to wave a magic wand.

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Carrera

They carry salt and vials of water such is the fear of crashes. But if you crash, you crash and it's just a matter of physics and how you fall.

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darkboong

And even more recently with regards to the Iranian President's speeches...



Same goes for the Iranian President's speeches. All they read are the misquotes and what Tony Says. The press should be required to print the full text of these speeches, hopefully that would bore everyone to death and their readership would drop to zero. Once we're at that point ordinary human decency might have a fighting chance of taking hold.

As far as Satanic verses goes, Salman Rushdie appeared to express a very warped view of Islam in that book. IIRC he did go on record as saying that he did intend the book to provoke and anger the Muslim community. He got what he wanted, then he had a whine about it and the rest is history. I am undecided as to whether he's an idiot or a creep, perhaps he is both.

From what little I can recall of that book I deduce that he is a second rate writer and a third rate thinker. I found it somewhat galling that he enjoyed considerable expediture at the Tax Payer's expense to keep his vainglorious carcass in one piece.

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Carrera

It seems to me your posts always tend to carry this central message of defence of Islam - more so than any other religion. This seems strange from someone who professes to be an atheist (not that it's any concern of mine what religion someone happens to lean towards).
At any rate, I believe that while the Islamic World continues to adopt this current attitude, it's always going to lag behind the U.S. and Europe (or China). Myself I couldn't care less what the Pope may or may not say, even if he attacked my own ideology. If he did, I would simply counter it with a reasoned response and do my best to defend my philosophy. You wouldn't catch me shouting and screaming - probably your own response when Benedict's comments became publicized.

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thebluetrain

Let the fallout begin.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060917...alia_nun_killed