did you used to take WURM more seriously?

cheapie

hahahaha...the ones you post stand up the BEST???

Wurm

Absolutely. For example:

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Carrera

http://ourworld.cs.com/mikegriffith1/refute.htm
"A 112-page document drawn up by Ramzi Binalshibh, of Al Qaeda, and released by Qatar-based TV station Al Jazeera, admits that the organisation was involved in the terrorist attacks in the USA on September 11th and warns of a wave of new terrorist activities.

The document, called “The new reality of the Crusades” is about the justification for the terrorist attacks on September 11th, 2001 and celebrates the destruction caused by the attacks on the twin towers and the Pentagon, described by the author as “That glorious Tuesday”.

The document tries to justify the attacks by quoting from Islamic Sunnah, or teachings, such as “For anyone that has followed the events, it is clear that what happened in America was a punishment from God for all the injustice and oppression which America has done to the nations everywhere in the world, especially to the Moslems”.

It claims that the main planners for the attacks were Khaled Mohammed and Ramzi Binalshibh and the four pilots of the hijacked aircraft, Mohammed Atta, Marwan Al-Shehhi, Ziad Samir Jarrah and Hani Hanjour, although it attributes the responsibility for the attacks on the USA, stating that the Koran stipulates that it is legal to destroy any country which shows aggressiveness against Moslem nations, claiming also that “if the infidel fixes as objectives women, children and old people, then the Moslems can do the same thing”.

The document declares that “America converted itself into a country at war when it broke the peace and helped the Jews, over 50 years ago, to occupy Palestine…the day it bombed Iraq and began the blockade, when it attacked Sudan and when it bombed and blockaded Afghanistan and attacked the Moslems there”.

It is claimed that the attacks were a pre-emptive strike because the USA was already planning to attack Afghanistan: “America had drawn up a plan to invade Afghanistan and to make an attack there by diverse countries long before the events in America”.

The author of the document goes on to gloat over the fact that the USA lost around one billion USD in revenue after the attacks on September 11th, and the fact that it lost 2,000 financial experts, suffered a Stock Exchange crash, the USD lost value and airline companies went bankrupt.

Finally, the document promises “thousands more attacks” like September 11th to make that event “the beginning of the end for America”.

Timothy BANCROFT-HINCHEY PRAVDA."

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Wurm

Nice try Crappyshorts, but this is more hopeful rantings from extremist Muslims, used as red meat propaganda to stir up the masses, but highly doubtful that it's an an accurate story.

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limerickman

I go back to the cost/benefit analysis as regards 9/11?

What was the cost ? And who stood to benefit most ?

There are serious gaps in what the various commissions reported in the aftermath of 9/11.
Indeed the conduct of the central players like Bush has never really been able to standup to questioning.

I don't believe that what we have heard about 9/11 is the truth.

The fact that the truth has been witheld, this allows various pro and anti conspiracy theories to germinate and fester.

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morelike hypocrisy.

limerickman

Whos Mike Griffiths at ourworld, anyhow?
Quoting bloggs ain't exactly compelling evidence leading to proof.

It's just one fantasist cogging his script from another clown.

Mike Griffith : more like Dell Griffith from "Planes, Trains and Automobiles"

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morelike hypocrisy.

Wurm

At any rate, Crappy's cut n' paste (they say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery ) in no way refutes the article I posted, which deals with the Pentagon's 9-11 lies to the Congress.

Which goes to show ONCE AGAIN! that Crappy can't stay on-topic for more than 4 nanoseconds without veering off into his virtual "cow pasture" of inane poppycock.

I don't thnk he outfoxed that bull after all - but rather got the horns up his backside causing him to bump his head. Hard.

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Carrera

Russia warned the U.S.A. about fundamentalism way before 9/11 took place. Likewise Europe was warned. These warnings were laughed off till the events of 9/11 took place and then America woke up.
The conspiracy theory happened immediately - the same one you propose. The immediate reaction from the Arab street was that America had faked the entire incident. So, none of this is new.

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Russia, 'yurp, or anyone else didn't need to warn the US of Islamic fundie-ism. It was clear decades ago, especially after the Iranian Revolution in 1979.

What, do you imagine that the CIA, NSA, and others in the US braintrust were ignorant of radical Islam until some ally clued them?

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Carrera

They were caught out. I read an account of a guy who had been following David Koresh for ages and knew Koresh was planning an Armageddon scenario at Waco Texas. Yet the authorities handled the whole situation like amateurs. By the time they arrived at Waco the cult members were armed to the teeth and ready. That cost lives for the security forces. That's how clumsy they can be.
I agree Bush may have used 9/11 as an excuse to attack Iraq. But no way would I accept Bush actually planned 9/11.
Did you know this same old theory did the rounds of Rome after Christians set fire to the city in the first century A.D. Just as today, they said it was Nero. Nero was supposed to have played the sack of Troy while Rome burned. Now it's Bush. History never changes.
If people don't want to see Islamic terror in cities and at airports, time to stop funding these preachers of hate and giving them a safe haven. As Putin says the west has double standards. America was hit because it ignored the threat inside its own borders where those terrorists operated quite freely. It could have happened again here and far worse had it not been for Pakistani security services.
When are governments going to learn, I wonder?

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limerickman

I would have thought that the CIA, NSA etc would have known exactly what they were getting in to - when they funded the Islamic jihadi in Afghanistan during the 1980's!

The US goverment is like that - they get other people to fight their wars for them.
They enlisted Osama BinLaden to fight the Russians in 1980's in Afghanistan.
History repeats itself - they use the Zionists to engage Hezbollah now.

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morelike hypocrisy.

lyotard

true, take the example of the us supplies of cluster bombs being used upon civilian targets in S.L. by israel at present, and another supply of these is ordered and pending approval by the us...
the clusters are remaining unexploded, some times concealed sometimes not, to become a human threat such as land mines...
this while germany has suspended arms sales to israel during their attacks.
btw, notice the formative un force for this conflict appears to be composed soley of nations which supply israel weapons.

the us has funded many efforts that it is now in opposition to, up to and including irans' nuclear power program, this during the reagan era by those who surround bush at present...


the trend i see, is the us is moving away from what you describe here, covert war in it's own interest, to overt invasion and occupation for the same purposes.

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