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25-08.-2006, 04:47 AM

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Re: What happens when you oppose Bu$hCo too vigorously

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Hey, cheapie, help me figure this out. I want to buy a new couch. It's a really nice one, Mission style in like this distressed, weathered looking leather, kinda reddish-brown. It'll look great in my living room. Sort of Mission, mixed with a little cowboy stuff. I have an Arts & Crafts period house, so I think it's really perfect. And it's really comfortable! My hubby and I have worked pretty hard this year, saved up some money to buy it, but the furniture store is offering 90 days same as cash, so we're thinking of borrowing. Might add a little debt, but we can get it paid off soon.

So, will these guys say I'm
A) a mindless sheep
B) evil
C) a lock-stepper
D) greedy
E) an enemy of the world
F) blind
G) all of the above

You had to save up to purchase a couch?

Better than going borrowing, i suppose, but having to save up to buy a couch!
What do you and your husband work at for a living?

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morelike hypocrisy.

25-08.-2006, 04:52 AM

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Re: What happens when you oppose Bu$hCo too vigorously

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Lets say your net worth is around $750,000usd. you're still nothing to them. Ever heard of the carlyle group

do you know who are amongst its members

They're net worth, each, is in the 100's of millions of dollars. they could'nt give a rats-ass about anyone like you or i. that goes for all of the social issues they are using as smokescreens to cover-up their raiding of the us treasury and the selling of our offsprings future economic status for thier own gain

surely we agree on this point

Agreed, David.

The Carlyle set - Kissinger, Bush (senior and junior), Major etc., don't give a damn about the ordinary citizen, regardless of that citizens nationality.
To be part of that set, you need to be rich and powerful.

25-08.-2006, 04:59 AM

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Re: What happens when you oppose Bu$hCo too vigorously

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Meanwhile, I have a job I like, a wonderful family, including a husband who loves me, great kids, faithful friends, good health at the moment, a beautiful new dog we rescued from a shelter, the weather was pretty good today. I think I will be better off as a mindless sheep being grateful for every day I have to live on this earth, doing my best to be a positive influence in it. I'm not going to go around with knots in my stomach, calling people assholes,(okay I kind of implied stevebaby was an asshole, and I'm sorry), and trying to convince people the sky is falling.

For all of you "others" out there, you just might wake up tomorrow and find out you have incurable cancer or something and realize you wasted a lot of life on hating people you don't even know.

.......and that's the way the ruling classes want you to be.
Compliant. Happy with your lot.
In a word, complacent.

Utopia may not exist anywhere.
You drew reference to Iran and Venezuela earlier, so as to prove that your country is further along the road to Utopia.
From what I have gathered you have never lived in either country, have you?

25-08.-2006, 07:32 AM

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Re: What happens when you oppose Bu$hCo too vigorously

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If it were any of your "wonderful family" getting their limbs blown off in Iraq, or suffering from effects of depleted uranium, or being locked up forever on mere suspicion, or killed like Cindy Sheehan's son was...you would have a much different opinion I'll wager.

But as long as everything's peachy there in Ozzie & Harriet World, you won't see any harm in having a traitor/criminal administration and Congress.

Early on in the Nazi regime, many Germans were of similar opinion.

Self-absorbed and myopic: the coin of the Merkin realm. Until it's your ass in the sling.

You don't know the first thing about my ass, except that I have the capacity to be happy. You have no idea how I spend my time, or what I do to make this world a better place. You have no idea what my connections to the US military are, and have been, for generations. You have no idea what I support with my money, my voice, and my vote. You have no idea what I mean to a friend in trouble. You have no idea how many foreign immigrants are my friends, who have escaped the fear of being locked up forever on mere suspicion. You have no idea about anything, except hate, loathing, and impotent fury.

It has been the experience of my entire adult life that the people in power have been accused of being traitors/criminals. Frequently they are. But I still want to hear from you who the saints are? I personally think you would be bummed out if you couldn't feed on and spew out your pathetic outrage.

And I also know from experience that anytime someone throws out Ozzie & Harriet as an attempted insult, they are just jealous.

I will not apologize for not spending my life tormented.

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25-08.-2006, 07:34 AM

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Re: What happens when you oppose Bu$hCo too vigorously

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What set of rich and powerful people give a damn about the ordinary citizen?

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25-08.-2006, 07:41 AM

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Re: What happens when you oppose Bu$hCo too vigorously

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I shouldn't be happy? I should spend my life trolling the internet in agony, wringing my hands about things I don't have control over?

Utopia may not exist anywhere? Then STFU about who is worse than who. Who cares then. Is that another version of "I don't know the answers, but I sure know the problem. It's America." Where people are happy. OH NO! No one should enjoy a minute of their lives. They should toil for the cause of hatred and ulcers.

Did it ever occur to you that your feelings are exactly what communists the world over are trained to tell you they are. I have heard enough comments around here that come straight of the damn manual. And you think Americans are being manipulated?

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25-08.-2006, 07:49 AM

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Re: What happens when you oppose Bu$hCo too vigorously

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You had to save up to purchase a couch?

Better than going borrowing, i suppose, but having to save up to buy a couch!
What do you and your husband work at for a living?

I don't think you really read my description. It's a $3500 couch. With a really cool matching chair ($1300). To replace my, let's say, "eclectic", um, "vintage" furniture.

And we have to save money. Sorry that's so hard for you to believe. I have children, I stayed home for the last 10 years actually raising them, and have recently gone back to work. The government taxed round about 45% of our single income, so it was tough. Gotta pay health insurance. Then there are our bicycles

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So that's what makes me an evil greedy American lock-stepper. See, I aspire to a really nice couch. Sure, I could go to Value City and get a cheap one; it's still a place to sit. But not me, I'm part of the bourgeousie.

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25-08.-2006, 08:03 AM

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Re: What happens when you oppose Bu$hCo too vigorously

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Utopia may not exist anywhere? Then STFU about who is worse than who.

Charmin'.

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Who cares then.

You care - otherwise you wouldn't be posting your condescending remarks about countries which you have never lived in or visited, for that matter.

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Did it ever occur to you that your feelings are exactly what communists the world over are trained to tell you they are. I have heard enough comments around here that come straight of the damn manual. And you think Americans are being manipulated?

I'm a communist?
Is that what you call people who disagree with you?

I'm not a communist.

And do I think Americans are being manipulated?
I think we're all manipulated to a certain extent.

25-08.-2006, 08:11 AM

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Re: What happens when you oppose Bu$hCo too vigorously

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I don't think you really read my description. It's a $3500 couch. With a really cool matching chair ($1300). To replace my, let's say, "eclectic", um, "vintage" furniture.

$3,500 = €2,700.

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And we have to save money. Sorry that's so hard for you to believe. I have children, I stayed home for the last 10 years actually raising them, and have recently gone back to work. The government taxed round about 45% of our single income, so it was tough. Gotta pay health insurance. Then there are our bicycles

We all pay taxes : standard rate here is 42% plus social insurance of 7.5%.
So you're no exception. Sorry.

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So that's what makes me an evil greedy American lock-stepper. See, I aspire to a really nice couch. Sure, I could go to Value City and get a cheap one; it's still a place to sit. But not me, I'm part of the bourgeousie.

No - that makes you someone who thinks $3,500 is a significant amount of money and has to save that money in order to buy your couch.

25-08.-2006, 08:13 AM

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Re: What happens when you oppose Bu$hCo too vigorously

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Charmin'.

You care - otherwise you wouldn't be posting your condescending remarks about countries which you have never lived in or visited, for that matter.

I'm a communist?
Is that what you call people who disagree with you?

I'm not a communist.

And do I think Americans are being manipulated?
I think we're all manipulated to a certain extent.

You're exhausting. Obviously I was being sarcastic about Who cares then. Meaning, why do you care. I think it's clear that I care. I don't have to visit Iran to think that it is neither Utopia nor peaceful. Since you ask me that every single time I have an opinion about another country I will tell you that I have only been in North America. Canada, USA, Mexico. May I comment on them only?

I call people who disagree with me "wrong." I call people who quote communists and communist dogma, who admire communist leaders, who despise any effort to stop communism: communists. Perhaps some would prefer "sympathizers." Lenin called them "useful idiots."

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25-08.-2006, 08:17 AM

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Re: What happens when you oppose Bu$hCo too vigorously

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$3,500 = €2,700.

We all pay taxes : standard rate here is 42% plus social insurance of 7.5%.
So you're no exception. Sorry.

No - that makes you someone who thinks $3,500 is a significant amount of money and has to save that money in order to buy your couch.

No - that makes me an "ordinary citizen." My point about the taxes, is that it takes two people to make one income. We lived on one. That's okay, our choice, but that means four grand for pretty furniture is a significant amount of money. Is that supposed to be an insult. My car is 10 years old too, so you can look down on me some more.

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25-08.-2006, 08:24 AM

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Re: What happens when you oppose Bu$hCo too vigorously

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I shouldn't be happy? I should spend my life trolling the internet in agony, wringing my hands about things I don't have control over?...

Sounds like you should be quite happy about your life. But I don't think you should be at all happy about the way the 45% of you income is being spent. (Among the other things the Bush clan is doing.)

Democracy requires work, thought, consideration, and anger at injustice. Doesn't mean you have to let it infect your otherwise great life.

Now, regarding the couch, since you asked: $3500!!! holy crap! Sitting must be a very high priority for you. I can sympathize somewhat. I used to own a very chaming 1911 late victorian/early craftsman house. I put a lot of money and effort into restoring it. Never could get myself to shell out for period furniture, though.

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25-08.-2006, 08:26 AM

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Re: What happens when you oppose Bu$hCo too vigorously

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You were being sarcastic?
Didn't come across that way - I have to say.

You're free to comment on anything you like - but your remarks about Iraq and Venezuela were condescending, I thought, given that you have never been to either country.

As regards calling people communists - you accused me of being a communist
without any basis for doing so.
I'm not a communist sympathiser either.

25-08.-2006, 08:30 AM

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Re: What happens when you oppose Bu$hCo too vigorously

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I'm not looking down on you.

I was simply making the point that buying a $3,500 quid couch and feeling "bourgoise" - seems to be a struggle having had to save for it.
I was also making the point that we all have to pay taxes - they're inevitable.

25-08.-2006, 08:34 AM

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Re: What happens when you oppose Bu$hCo too vigorously

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Well, my house is very small, so I can swing it (the chair is a reproduction Morris chair. I could die!) And Mission is popular at the moment, so you can find some stuff like at Target, the greatest store ever achieved in retail commerce. Anyway, I was just using it for an example, because we already have said couch because my husband got a bonus at work for being (I'm whispering now) profitable. Without screwing anyone. Whaddaya know.

I liked your comment about not letting "it" infect your life. You can care and not go down in flames.

And NO, I will never be happy with how anyone, including Bush, is spending my money. I would be in favor of taxes if they were efficient by any means, but since they are going to throw it all in a big black hole, I want it back.

geez, how much do you think Lim's couch cost?

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