What happens when you oppose Bu$hCo too vigorously

nns1400

Your friends hang out with Kashoggi?

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nns1400

Oh, Durangodave, I just felt I was getting way too boring with my Cuba reports (and I have so, so much more); they didn't seem to fit in with the "themes" on the soapbox. People seem to respond much more "warmly" to sloganeering. Boring, serious facts are met with contempt and hypocrisy, so what the hell, might as well make them grind their teeth .

I actually do promise to read up on some of the interesting claims being made round about here. But the fault lines here seem to run very closely along the lines of plain old communism. Just one of my pet peeves, I guess.

This dude's letter is soooo pathetically lost in the sixties "dream" of revolution, etc. It's just the same-old, same-old Marxist vile crap responsible for millions of deaths, rehashed by some whiner with possibly a borderline personality, who "finally has hope." Hope that people will send him money, from the capitalist system he hates, to the impoverished glorious worker's paradise in Venezuela. "Revolution is not a dinner party." How original.

I liked the part about the last chance for justice was the L.A. rebellion (assuming he's not talking about Lance). Rioters burning down their own neighborhoods. Yeah, great stuff. He did have one great line in his whole letter: "Stupid me."

I don't believe my country has "similar" communist tendencies, hence the rabid hatred of it here on the forum. We aren't even Socialists for God's sake! Which makes us fascists in their eyes. Yawn. Enjoy your computers and internet and everything else the g-damned free world gave you, I say to some, and you know who you are. And your shiny bicycles, and colorful team jerseys, and satellite race coverage and corporate sponsors and independently owned bike shops and everything else that does not exist in the Harmony of All Peoples Living Together Under Our Dear Totalitarian Leaders.

Whew!

I give you a MOUNTAIN of credit, sir, for saying you are with me on Cuba and Chavez, and then asking about the rest. Since you are not a hypocrite, I will read some more stuff I might not normally and we'll talk. BTW, political figures have never been my heroes. I'm a "lesser of two evils" person.

ONE more thing: what country are you from? Since you live in Colorado, I thought you were American. Maybe you are, but when you said "tendencies in your own country", wasn't sure if you were from somewhere else? Or not. (Sometimes I hate email!)

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davidmc

Wake up you middle-class sheep It takes 1000 of you to make one of their clan

Agreed. Its all based on debt and bank notes of no intrinsic value


Good post wurm lets just hope that it ignites some glimmer of nationalism as opposed to greed in these "lock-steppers"

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2FAST4U

[QUOTE=davidmc]Wake up you middle-class sheep It takes 1000 of you to make one of their clan
Oh brother where art thou?

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davidmc

Lets say your net worth is around $750,000usd. you're still nothing to them. Ever heard of the carlyle group do you know who are amongst its members They're net worth, each, is in the 100's of millions of dollars. they could'nt give a rats-ass about anyone like you or i. that goes for all of the social issues they are using as smokescreens to cover-up their raiding of the us treasury and the selling of our offsprings future economic status for thier own gain surely we agree on this point

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nns1400

Hey, cheapie, help me figure this out. I want to buy a new couch. It's a really nice one, Mission style in like this distressed, weathered looking leather, kinda reddish-brown. It'll look great in my living room. Sort of Mission, mixed with a little cowboy stuff. I have an Arts & Crafts period house, so I think it's really perfect. And it's really comfortable! My hubby and I have worked pretty hard this year, saved up some money to buy it, but the furniture store is offering 90 days same as cash, so we're thinking of borrowing. Might add a little debt, but we can get it paid off soon.

So, will these guys say I'm
A) a mindless sheep
B) evil
C) a lock-stepper
D) greedy
E) an enemy of the world
F) blind
G) all of the above

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nns1400

You know, it made me think of that movie, A Beautiful Mind, where he was holed up in his little shed, working on his secret govt projects, and people were spying on him, and he was friends with that shadowy spy guy, and everyone was against him (and his fiancee was ex-CIA, oops, wrong story).....except there was a big twist, and he just had schizophrenia!!! And it was a TRUE STORY. hmmmmm.....

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Durangodave

A friend of mine used to mix with "important" people in LA. He owned a limo company that used to deliver... um... people, to the Neverland Ranch. Yikes.

Anyway.

I have an old grudge against communism and its apologists, too. "Evil empire." Yep, agree completely. Shame about the obscenities we comitted under the anti-communist banner, though. It's enought to shiver your blood when you really think about it.

About Ruppert. Just the word "revolution" makes me plug my nose, the way that "revolution" has played out in the last century. "Meet the new boss..." But I think the guy is on to a few things, and at the least had uncovered some skeletons in some closets. That kind of thing can earn you... a grim fate.

I'm for freedom. The sense I get from the Bush clan is that they are for freedom, when and where it suits them. That's not good enough. Plus, they are quite obviously theives. And they are bedfellows with some pretty nutty death-cult fundamentalist types.

BTW, I'm from the USA. The LAST thing I would want to do is hand the country over to a Politburo, or a charismatic demogogue.

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davidmc

Well thought out post Nice to see some rationality here from time to time

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Durangodave

Reminds me of this guy on the Berkeley campus who was peddling a theory that the John Lennon assasination was conspired by:

Ronald Reagan and Henry Kissinger,

and carried out by... get this... Stephen King (who does resemble Mark David Chapman)

Plus the guy claimed that the proof of this conspiricy was all coded in mainstream-media headlines. He had a big display with all the right headlines juxtaposed and dated, and so on.

On the other hand. I know of people who've come to dire ends by knowing too much about the ruling clan...

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nns1400

Meet the new boss...I like that!

I just grow weary of this US bashing, dude. At this level. It's like it's own mental condition. Which will start an hysterical post that "YOU HAVE A F%&#*ING MENTAL CONDITION, if you believe Bush or this or that, blah blah, blah."

Would someone tell me where the utopia is? 'cause if it's Venezuela, than you're gonna have a hard time convincing me that it's soooo much worse here. I have found the "box" to be a long circular, quite rude thread about Repigs, etc., and then I'm a little confused at exactly where they think the "good" governments are. Or where everyone sits around humming and weaving baskets and turning their swords into plow shares. Iran?

Defeating Bush will do....what? Replace him with more rich people? Obviously rich people control a lot of things. Always have, always will. Most rich people are "pretty nutty" if you ask me. Right wingers go on hysterical diatribes too about the Illuminati, and the friggin Knights Templar and all the stupid rich people secret conspiracy groups that are going to enslave us all in the New World Order (just look at your dollar bill - egads!!)

Guess we're all slaves no matter how you look at it. Personally, I think we all better learn Chinese, because a bunch of different rich people are probably going to take over the world instead, and we won't even be able to pronounce their names!

Meanwhile, I have a job I like, a wonderful family, including a husband who loves me, great kids, faithful friends, good health at the moment, a beautiful new dog we rescued from a shelter, the weather was pretty good today. I think I will be better off as a mindless sheep being grateful for every day I have to live on this earth, doing my best to be a positive influence in it. I'm not going to go around with knots in my stomach, calling people assholes,(okay I kind of implied stevebaby was an asshole, and I'm sorry), and trying to convince people the sky is falling.

For all of you "others" out there, you just might wake up tomorrow and find out you have incurable cancer or something and realize you wasted a lot of life on hating people you don't even know.

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nns1400

The worst part is he was a professor!!! And his big display will be on the final exam . Pretty creative, I have to say.

As for people coming to dire end for knowing too much about the ruling clan, I think that must be true for any ruling clan that has ever existed (political, corporate, mob). You DON'T want to know where the bodies are buried!

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Felt_Rider

I like and agree with your thoughts

Durangodave

Yes, probably. But I think it's wrong to imagine that Bush is just one of an army of clone-politicians. Just one example of circumstances that could have been entirely different, even with a different GOP admin: the Iraq war!. Just look at how many GOP generals, GOP former state dept, GOP Army war college people, GOP intelligence people, etc, etc, were highly skeptical of this disastrous adventure. Just one example.

Oh yeah, life can be great here, and the USA is full of generous and kind people. And the fruits of hard work and free enterprise are constantly taken for granted, which irritates the hell out of me...

But there's a point where the cost of political ignorance-and-bliss will be more than you're willing to bear. I'm sure you remember, every once in a while, that people worked their stomach into knots, and even died, to throw off the yoke of monarchy and colonial servitude.... I think it's better to pay attention and perhaps get a little worked up right now, than to let things slide to the point where we'll contemplate actual violence again. Just a modicum of vigilance will do at this point, if we all would pay a little attention.

I'm just saying that this situation could well apply to Mike Ruppert, as opposed to his being a deranged nutcase...

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