What happens when you oppose Bu$hCo too vigorously

BillM

Yes he raised taxes....and much of the tax revenue generated came from inflated and falsified corporate income reports. Why you keep dismissing this is beyond me. It shows your ignorance of the subject though.
The Fed was headed by Greenspan until very recently too. Same economic policies. Can you say 9/11? Do you think that and a war might have had an affect?


I will agree that Clinton was more economically conservative than Bush...hell I think everyone is more conservative than Bush when it comes to spending.


Job Exportation. Thanks Bill.....yet you blame Bush for it.


See above...same comment.

Limerick...you really don't understand our country do you? Where do you get your stuff...Wikipedia?

nns1400

Still not gettin' the bank robber reference, but as to this comment, I believe the Dems want the disenfranchised to stay disenfranchised. It's their bread and butter, voter wise. You think they care about poor people? Their programs have not made anyone not be poor anymore; they enculturate it. They've wrecked the public school system, making it nearly impossible for anyone to rise out of it.

Yes, I would be too proud. I come from a long line of people who are too proud (Scottish Highlanders), who are related to a line of people who are government parasites. I know first hand how it works, and I would rather dig ditches than take money, or heaven help me, "assistance" from the government. Ask anyone who went through Hurricane Katrina how much government assistance is worth -- the saying is popular again that if you see me being attacked by a bear, please ask the government to help the bear! (Yes, my family members went through it).

Tax deductions allow me to keep MY OWN friggin' money, david, that I earned. They don't take it from another person's earnings and give it to me. I have to pay to send my kids to private school and still pay taxes on schools I don't use, because they are unsafe and incompetent. I don't take much from the govt. And I would have NO problem with getting rid of middle-class welfare like college loans because it isn't the govt's job to help me pay for college or anything else. They reel in everyone they can with some kind of program so that if anyone objects to high taxes, they can threaten their personal program. Works every time. Meanwhile they piss it all away!!!!!!! Government is the least efficient entity in the universe.

__________________
The stronger the wind, the stronger the trees.

davidmc

The fact remains that the U.S. president has not asked anyone to make any sacrifices. Aftwer 9-11 and Katrina, he only told the American people that they should travel and it would be good for the economy. He hasn't ever asked anyone to conserve gasoline unless his back is against the wall. He asks for @ $100 billion a year, off the budget mind you, to pay for Iraq & never mentions whose going to pay it off (future unwitting generations). Simultaneously, he gives tax-cuts-during his war on terror, unprecedented during a time of war. Lastly, he showers $110 billion for hurricane area's. Where's that money going to come from You guessed it: the backs of future generations. Thats why even conservatives are pissed off.

__________________
I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death.
George Carlin
US comedian and actor (1937 - )

davidmc

Do you police your own borders, pave your roads, run a library &/or museum, have your own military, ect... Governments are necessary. Human nature demands it. Otherwise people would only care about their immediate environs instead of the entire country.

__________________
I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death.
George Carlin
US comedian and actor (1937 - )

nns1400

Of course we are!! GWB really isn't very conservative at all.

__________________
The stronger the wind, the stronger the trees.

nns1400

I didn't say the government wasn't necessary. You implied that my tax deductions were equivalent to welfare, etc. which is ridiculous, because the money in question is mine.

No one polices our borders, apparently, or their wouldn't be a gazillion illegals here. As for the military, that is a constitutionally proscripted function of the government. Roads are fine, but they tie the money to whatever shit program they want to force down our throats.

Libertarians have described the government as being like fire. It is necessary to survive, and can even make you more comfortable, but it has to be controlled and watched or the minute you turn your back it will burn your house down and kill your family.

__________________
The stronger the wind, the stronger the trees.

nns1400

That "budget surplus" was bullshit. That was a "projected" surplus, based on the tech bubble continuing, which everyone knew it wouldn't. More games politicians play. At the time, I think John McCain was one of the only big name politicians willing to say so. Both parties wanted to "party" on that imaginary money. The government was going into recession as of March 2001. I don't think even GWB could have ruined everything in 3 months.

__________________
The stronger the wind, the stronger the trees.

nns1400

Duh.

__________________
The stronger the wind, the stronger the trees.

nns1400

Well then, we can agree on something.

And I will admit that having no credit card debt is not "normal" here in America, but I really don't have any. Remember, I save money to buy things . I'm not worried about my property value either, because I live in an old city neighborhood that actually took a long time to catch up with the housing increases, and because it is in a prime location that doesn't involve a long and expensive commute, and because it is almost paid off, so I will always be able to sell it for more than owe.

However, I have watched people buy a lot more than they can afford, who are irresponsible really, who live paycheck to paycheck even though they make a lot of money. And if their house value tanks they are in big trouble. Living beyond one's means is a national pasttime.

__________________
The stronger the wind, the stronger the trees.

darkboong

Simple : Because the USA is causing the most Ruckus. Furthermore our Primeminister seems to spend more time listening to Bush than he does listening to his Electorate. As I see it there is no point in wasting time on an overpaid civil servant with zero decision making capacity (Tony Blair), you may as well go for the top (which is GWB in this case).

__________________
Free Beer !

darkboong

The jobs are being exported faster under Bush than they were under Bill. Bush is running the country, all Bill can do is sign books, shake hands, and crack lame jokes at the moment.

FWIW I happen to have a number of contacts within the US VLSI design community (and I pay close attention to it). What struck me over the past 5 years or so is that a very large proportion of these *extremely* highly skilled and dedicated people have struggled to find work under Bush.

That is happening because their jobs are being off-shored faster than they can get them... I saw the same thing happen to the VLSI design community here in the UK about a decade ago (many of those folks actually moved to the US and in some cases they are experiencing the off-shoring nonsense for a second time).

__________________
Free Beer !

stevebaby

[QUOTE=nns1400 I come from a long line of people who are too proud (Scottish Highlanders)[/QUOTE]Me too.They were all cattle and horse thieves.My English ancestors probably hanged a few of them.

__________________
I'm Rooting for Chiara!
Drink!Feck!Arrse!Girls!
bastard

jhuskey

Me too.They were all cattle and horse thieves.My English ancestors probably hanged a few of them.
[/QUOTE]


What's so bad about being a cattle or horse thief, a man needs companionship once in a while.
late they figure out they could steal two sheep in the same amount of time.
One under each arm.

__________________
Whenever I can't get excited about riding I just fantasize about someone else's bike.

stevebaby

My Scottish ancestors didn't stop at two sheep.They stole thousands of them.The English wouldn't allow them to take their cattle across the border to market.They used to sell their own,then on the way home they would steal everyone else's livestock.
It gets veeeerry cold in the Highlands.....and sometimes a dram isn't enough.
Most of the early cattle rustlers in the US were Scots or Irish immigrants.
It wasn't really a crime (unless you were caught).It was part sport,part tradition and partly a way of introducing genetic diversity into your herds.
One of my Scottish rels was the last man hanged in Scotland for stealing horses.
For the record...I have never stolen a horse.

__________________
I'm Rooting for Chiara!
Drink!Feck!Arrse!Girls!
bastard