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Old 21-08.-2006, 07:31 AM   #31
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Why ? Why did he marry an American? Or why did he get married in Florida??

why did he marry an American...its okay i am being a tit...

probably love or something...
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Old 21-08.-2006, 07:32 AM   #32
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Name a journalist in jail in the US for using their freedom of speech. name a journalist in in jail in the US. Reporters have been held for contempt of court by refusing to testify about their sources in criminal investigations.

No one would describe the freedom of the press situation in either of our countries as "disastrous." No journalist has been jailed for insults to officials. People make their entire living doing that. Why can't you just admit they don't have freedom of the press, or freedom of speech. It's simple. You go to jail for criticizing Fidel Castro or the regime. You go to jail for disagreeing with the government.


What about the NYT journalist who was imprisoned out of the Valerie Wilson case?
Contempt of Court - you refer to it as.

I wasn't aware that journalists could be imprisoned in Cuba for insulting Fidel
or Raoul Castro.
But if you say so - then we'll agree that this is the case.
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Why ? Why did he marry an American? Or why did he get married in Florida??

So he could vote for Al Gore at the same time.
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Old 21-08.-2006, 07:34 AM   #34
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why did he marry an American...its okay i am being a tit...

probably love or something...


I don't know why he married an American.

I should have done a background check on my wifes family - before throwing my lot in with such reckless people!
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Old 21-08.-2006, 07:39 AM   #35
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What about the NYT journalist who was imprisoned out of the Valerie Wilson case?
Contempt of Court - you refer to it as.

I wasn't aware that journalists could be imprisoned in Cuba for insulting Fidel
or Raoul Castro.
But if you say so - then we'll agree that this is the case.

Well, we'll have to agree that this is the case because it is a fact, not because I say so. AGAIN, according to Human Rights Watch:

Under Cuban law, the crime of disrespect for authority (desacato) covers anyone who "threatens, libels or slanders, defames, affronts or in any other way insults or offends, with the spoken word or in writing, the dignity or decorum of an authority, public functionary, or his agents or auxiliaries." Such actions are punishable by three months to one year in prison. If the person shows disrespect to the president the sanction is deprivation of liberty for one to three years.
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Old 21-08.-2006, 11:46 AM   #36
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I have not, though I have read many more accounts than yours of people visiting Cuba, and escaping Cuba. I don't know what you're refuting exactly. Do you feel that Human Rights Watch is lying? Why? What about the Paris based group Reporters Without Borders? Would they possibly be in a better position than you to assess the situation? Does Cuba NOT jail journalists? What is your evidence to the contrary? That you didn't see any? Does Fidel Castro escort you around the country and show you his prisons?

You remind me of Tom Cruise defending Scientology. "Why, I've never seen re-education centers in Scientology. If I haven't seen them they don't exist."
What's the law regarding US citizens visiting Cuba?Is it still illegal under US law?
Why does the US Coast Guard fire on vessels from Cuba and return the people on them to Cuba?
Why is the number of people leaving Cuba for the US restricted to 20 000...by US Immigration law?
Alas...I fear these questions will never be answered by you.
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Old 21-08.-2006, 12:04 PM   #37
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What's the law regarding US citizens visiting Cuba.Is it still illegal under US law?
Why does the US Coast Guard fire on vessels from Cuba and return the people on them to Cuba?
Why is the number of people leaving Cuba for the US restricted to 20 000...by US Immigration law?
Alas...I fear these questions will never be answered by you.

The Coast Guard will only fire on vessels that refuse to stop.

We return the people to Cuba because we don't want em here.

What other questions are you afraid we won't answer?
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Old 21-08.-2006, 12:08 PM   #38
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What's the law regarding US citizens visiting Cuba.Is it still illegal under US law?
Why does the US Coast Guard fire on vessels from Cuba and return the people on them to Cuba?
Why is the number of people leaving Cuba for the US restricted to 20 000...by US Immigration law?
Alas...I fear these questions will never be answered by you.

Steve, you are soooo predictable. How about responding to the post I sent you? Remember saying this?

If you can manage to come up with some facts...I'm happy to respond.
As for dissidents...come up with a few facts instead of parroting this sort of nonsense.The record of the US is not exactly great when it comes to dissidents,is it?

I don't know why I bother to respond to this sort of ill-informed rubbish...


I proceeded to post nearly an entire page of facts about human rights abuses in your favorite communist dictatorship. You said you would happy to respond. Are these facts nonsense? Or rubbish? Who is ill-informed? The Human Rights Watch, or you? Please respond. Stop bringing up the US Coast Guard when it is not salient to this conversation. There will plenty of time to discuss immigration policy when you finish what you started regarding your admiration of Fidel Castro.
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Old 21-08.-2006, 12:27 PM   #39
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The Coast Guard will only fire on vessels that refuse to stop.

We return the people to Cuba because we don't want em here.

What other questions are you afraid we won't answer?
Why don't you want them there...if they are fleeing a regime that is as brutal as you suggest?
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Old 21-08.-2006, 12:36 PM   #40
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Why don't you want them there...if they are fleeing a regime that is as brutal as you suggest?

Because we don't need a reason. We just don't want em.

Why can't you respond to the above post from nns?

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Steve, you are soooo predictable. How about responding to the post I sent you? Remember saying this?

If you can manage to come up with some facts...I'm happy to respond.
As for dissidents...come up with a few facts instead of parroting this sort of nonsense.The record of the US is not exactly great when it comes to dissidents,is it?

I don't know why I bother to respond to this sort of ill-informed rubbish...


I proceeded to post nearly an entire page of facts about human rights abuses in your favorite communist dictatorship. You said you would happy to respond. Are these facts nonsense? Or rubbish? Who is ill-informed? The Human Rights Watch, or you? Please respond. Stop bringing up the US Coast Guard when it is not salient to this conversation. There will plenty of time to discuss immigration policy when you finish what you started regarding your admiration of Fidel Castro.
The analysis by Human Rights Watch...which you posted...was "5 000 - 12 000 deaths".
Would that be correct?
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Because we don't need a reason. We just don't want em.

Why can't you respond to the above post from nns?

Broken Record.
There must be a reason. Are you saying that the US government acts without reason?
Why don't you want them? Is it the colour of their skin? Is it because they are leaving Cuba for economic reasons?
Surely the US wouldn't turn away people fleeing a brutal and murderous regime...would they?
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There must be a reason. Are you saying that the US government acts without reason?
Why don't you want them? Is it the colour of their skin? Is it because they are leaving Cuba for economic reasons?
Surely the US wouldn't turn away people fleeing a brutal and murderous regime...would they?


Sure we would....we're evil remember.
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So what you are saying is...the US government,by returning these people to Cuba where they may be killed by a brutal and murderous regime...is an accessory to their murders.
Would that be correct?
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Old 21-08.-2006, 01:36 PM   #45
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Maybe BillM is a reborn wolfux?

Hey Bill, buy a fecking CLUE. Do some critical thinking. Try not to be so obviously a to0L for the Neo Cons/Repigs.
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