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Old 20-08.-2006, 09:42 AM   #31
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Bush doesn't give a shit, for him it's heads up no limit texas hold 'em. Dead stacks of american citizens versus oil chips for his company.



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Hang in 25 or 30 more years and we got it made!
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Grettings P.
I am embarassed by the likes of humankind in general. Put me in control and I will set you free.
Ever heard that before?..well I mean it!
Hang in 25 or 30 more years and we got it made!
I propose that we ride until it hurts ,drink until it hurts,eat until it hurts and sleep until it doesn't. Anyone can throw sex in there if they wish.
You can quote me on that.
OK.
"I propose that we ride until it hurts,drink until it hurts,eat until it hurts and sleep until it doesn't."
Second the motion.
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Old 20-08.-2006, 10:41 AM   #33
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I'll propose the motion : SB & JH.

Good to have P (FC) back.
Hopefully he will contribute more often.
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Sometimes it can be supprising how people of such different backgounds can get along together, but looking similar is taking it a bit too far.


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They look like they're just about to start trading punches.
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I just noticed that the Johnnys tie colour matches Dali's clothing.
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Old 21-08.-2006, 02:36 AM   #37
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I would like to distance the UK from the US politically but not lose them as an ally.

Ha! Well doesn't everyone?! Keep America as an ally, just don't be an ally. Do you use all your friends in that manner? I know, I know, you're going to say we are using you. But almost everyone in this country likes and admires the UK, and thinks you are sticking with us because we are friends and we stood together during WWII in the face of overwhelming evil and won! People respect your country for hanging so tough. And most people don't read forums like this and realize how much you guys can't stand us . It seems Britain is in great danger of terrorism. We want to defeat them (terrorists) so both our countries are safe. You can disagree with how the Bush & Blair admins are attempting that, but our country, believe it or not, cares about yours.


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"As for Americans, thier just like the rest of us, mostly decent with a small percentage of morons. My experience of most Americans is a very positive one. Hard working and genuinley friendly."

Thanks. We are all smarting a bit about the "violent, money-hungry, uncultured" thing. Besides, we've only had a couple of centuries to create a culture that could rise to the level of The Spice Girls .

Great post.

Count me in the group that is surprised we are loathed so by your average Brit. I count them as our only true ally in the world and would support any action militarily or not to come to their aid should they so need it.

The UK is as naive about the terrorists in their midsts as we were pre 9/11 and it's a shame they don't see it. One will never know how many attacks were prevented in the last 5 years by our actions against terrorists and their funding sources.

Either way.....despite the loathing....I still count the UK as our only true ally.
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Old 21-08.-2006, 03:29 AM   #38
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Great post.

Count me in the group that is surprised we are loathed so by your average Brit. I count them as our only true ally in the world and would support any action militarily or not to come to their aid should they so need it.

The UK is as naive about the terrorists in their midsts as we were pre 9/11 and it's a shame they don't see it. One will never know how many attacks were prevented in the last 5 years by our actions against terrorists and their funding sources.

Either way.....despite the loathing....I still count the UK as our only true ally.

Sad but true. Honestly, I would do anything to protect Phil Liggett .
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Great post.

Count me in the group that is surprised we are loathed so by your average Brit. I count them as our only true ally in the world and would support any action militarily or not to come to their aid should they so need it.

The UK is as naive about the terrorists in their midsts as we were pre 9/11 and it's a shame they don't see it. One will never know how many attacks were prevented in the last 5 years by our actions against terrorists and their funding sources.

Either way.....despite the loathing....I still count the UK as our only true ally.

Bill, i really dont think we are niave about terrorism, we've been dealing with it for a lot longer than the US, plus we just foiled 'the biggest terrorist plot in world history'

that aside, yo really need to pay attentioy to the BBC or whatever UK based media you like...
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Bill, i really dont think we are niave about terrorism, we've been dealing with it for a lot longer than the US, plus we just foiled 'the biggest terrorist plot in world history'

that aside, yo really need to pay attentioy to the BBC or whatever UK based media you like...

MountainPro, you have again hurt my American feelings by ignoring my post and responding to Bill's. What ABOUT the Spice Girls ?
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I'm not so sure. What I've noticed is a lot of changes lately. I don't think Britain has what you would call the "special relationship" with the U.S. at the present time. True, the U.K. does have a better working relationship with the U.S. than Europe but it's not like the Thatcher/Regan years.
Just look at all these changing trends: The U.S. lately has become a more religious, evangelical land with football stadiums converting to holy crusade conference centres. The U.S. has also changed demographically, has it not? There are now thousands of Hispanics and Spanish becoming far more important.
Anyway, not wanting to beat a negative drum but the U.K. seems to have a subservient relationship with the U.S. The current administration is happy so long as Blair send his troops to key locations for moral support but they probably know the people in the U.K. don't really share their value system anything like during the sixties and seventies. Blair just does his duty and that's it.
Things have changed, I think. I also know many Americans who say they are from Canada when in London.

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Great post.

Count me in the group that is surprised we are loathed so by your average Brit. I count them as our only true ally in the world and would support any action militarily or not to come to their aid should they so need it.

The UK is as naive about the terrorists in their midsts as we were pre 9/11 and it's a shame they don't see it. One will never know how many attacks were prevented in the last 5 years by our actions against terrorists and their funding sources.

Either way.....despite the loathing....I still count the UK as our only true ally.
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Old 21-08.-2006, 05:30 AM   #42
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I'm told Pakistan did all the work. We still don't know whether Pakistan may have exaggerated the threat too.

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Bill, i really dont think we are niave about terrorism, we've been dealing with it for a lot longer than the US, plus we just foiled 'the biggest terrorist plot in world history'

that aside, yo really need to pay attentioy to the BBC or whatever UK based media you like...
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Old 21-08.-2006, 05:31 AM   #43
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Bill, i really dont think we are niave about terrorism, we've been dealing with it for a lot longer than the US, plus we just foiled 'the biggest terrorist plot in world history'

that aside, yo really need to pay attentioy to the BBC or whatever UK based media you like...

Ok if that biggest terrorist plot in world history had succeeded.....would you want your country to sit idly by or would you want retribution? Would you want to send a message to the world to never, ever, ever try something like that again?

It's hard to play the what if game until you see your countrymen jumping from the 70th story to their death to escape a burning building but try to imagine that it succeeded......and then maybe you can understand our position in the Middle East.

What do I need to pay attention to a UK based media source for? I missed that part?
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I'm not so sure. What I've noticed is a lot of changes lately. I don't think Britain has what you would call the "special relationship" with the U.S. at the present time. True, the U.K. does have a better working relationship with the U.S. than Europe but it's not like the Thatcher/Regan years.
Just look at all these changing trends: The U.S. lately has become a more religious, evangelical land with football stadiums converting to holy crusade conference centres. The U.S. has also changed demographically, has it not? There are now thousands of Hispanics and Spanish becoming far more important.
Anyway, not wanting to beat a negative drum but the U.K. seems to have a subservient relationship with the U.S. The current administration is happy so long as Blair send his troops to key locations for moral support but they probably know the people in the U.K. don't really share their value system anything like during the sixties and seventies. Blair just does his duty and that's it.
Things have changed, I think. I also know many Americans who say they are from Canada when in London.

Maybe...but as an American....who admits it.....I don't see the UK any differently than in years past......I would support my country supporting the UK in any situation against any country.

I may be naive but I thought the Brits felt the same way....so maybe it isn't the US that has changed but rather the English......maybe your population is also becoming dilluted with other cultures viewpoints and opinions?
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I suspect it's mainly what I'd call the intelligentsia in this country that's anti-American. By intelligentsia, maybe I refer to young, middle-class types who keep up with the political news.
Not all Britons are anti-American.
Typical Britons I view as being very pro-American are guys like Paul McCartney, Ginger Spice, Heather Mills, Robby Williams e.t.c. These kind of Brits seem to love places like L.A. or just prefer to be the other side of the pond.
McCartney made his feeling very clear about 9/11 too. I did hear Macca doesn't care much for Bush but by the same token he's definitely concerned about the American way of life coming under attack.
Sometimes it works the other way. I was surprised David Soul came to live in the U.K. and he now kicks up a lot of fuss with his Jerry Springer show.



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Maybe...but as an American....who admits it.....I don't see the UK any differently than in years past......I would support my country supporting the UK in any situation against any country.

I may be naive but I thought the Brits felt the same way....so maybe it isn't the US that has changed but rather the English......maybe your population is also becoming dilluted with other cultures viewpoints and opinions?
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