American Dope Mashines

ilpirata

m, I think you are incorrect in your labeling of Carl Lewis. He is in my opinion one of the last cleaner sprinters to be seen in what is now a very dirty sport. Which is not to say I am a fan of his. I find him somewhat arrogant and selfish in interviews. Nonetheless his accomplishments and those of Edwin Moses are representative of dedication and hard work by american athletes. I am of a similar opinion to you on the rest otherwise.

helmutRoole2

Different? Here's the first two paragraphs:

"Lance Armstrong rose to sporting power in a world where paranoia ruled.
He had his meals delivered in a blue cooler during his final Tour de France for fear of sabotage."


That wasn't his food being delivered in a blue cooler.

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riverfever

Agreed.

pantani_lives

I agree. The really big stars, like Armstrong, Marion Jones and Carl Lewis will never be punished, no matter how much evidence there is against them. Whistle blowers like Simeoni, Manzano and Kelli White are the ones who get the hardest sanctions.

Flyer's.Finale!

Carl Lewis funked a drug test one week prior to his defeat to Ben Johnson.

Lewis failed for an illegal stimulant (all sprinters require amphetamines)

Wade Exum (former director of USOC) oversaw that doping cover up personally. He remained silent for many years about it---but has since broken that Omerta code.

There are NO clean Amercian sprinters. Not even Stephen Alfred, Marion Jones, Kelli White, Regina Jacobs, Michelle Collins, Tori Edwards, LaTasha Jenkins or Justin Gatlin.

Vino

Yah, for a steroid CREAM. You know for saddle sores. How is that performanc einhancing?

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ilpirata

Very well ff, you think there was a big coverup to benefit Carl Lewis and really he is a big cheat because they found traces of amphetamines at a single competition after 18 years in track and field. I am not of that opinion. I think that it was inadvertent, that he and Christie were taking similar Ginseng supplements and not realizing that the other stuff in the supplement, would cause a positive on a test. I think the USOC and the IOC can be embarassed about it, since in the case of other athletes they have not been so lenient. But to me, the use of steroids, gh and blood doping are more serious forms of cheating. Amphetamines rank below them in my opinion, they help an athlete lose weight faster for sure, but taken before a race, do they help shave a tenth of a second in the 100m, I am doubtful. Certainly not all sprinters require amphetamines. You would have to show me more than a single positive, for me go along with the premise that Lewis is a cheater.

Flyer's.Finale!

Carl Lewis was a terrific example of drug cheating at the 1984 Olympics where blood transfusions were standard practice. Can you spell Ramada Inn in Carson?

Nike employed many drug cheats after those victories:
Marion Jones
Tim Montgomery
CJ Hunter
Regina Jacobs
Michelle Collins
Kelli White
Tori Edwards
LaTasha jenkins
Justin Gatlin
Lance Armstrong
Barry Bonds
Jason Giambi

Roid factories, aka Pharmacies are everywhere in the USA: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17368148/

ilpirata

Blah blah blah blah blah

you are off point, as is your style. We are talking about Carl Lewis, not the prevalent use of performance enhancing drugs in use today, which I did not argue in my original post.

Flyer's.Finale!

Carl Lewis is and still is a screaming drug addict.

Apparently you don't get out much.

He even high speed crashed his Jaguar on HWY 101 recently.

Olympic Gold Standard (so-called) drug testing ALLOWS for:

testsoterone
hGH
insulin
EPO
IGF-1
blood transfsuions
Clomid
Salbutamol
certain classes of amphetamines
Viagra

btw: How is Flo Jo doing? Oh---I forgot, she had heart failure like Pantani.

ilpirata

I think it is pathetic how you make an athletes alleged use of performance enhancement a certainty because of a DUI car accident many years after retirement. With Flo-Jo and Pantani you do the same calumny. Which is even more heartless since they are dead. Marco Pantani never failed a drug control! I will not repeat my arguments of past years with you. You can recall them easy enough. The man suffered from depression after he was continually and mercilessly attacked for 4 years by media and judiciary powers who still have not proved a thing against him, or have a shred of evidence that he ever cheated. A story that cries out for justice. Not your pathetic jump on bandwagon labeling of him as the poster boy for the sick sport. If you would get out a little bit and read something outside the stats you like to collect, you will discover that both Carl Lewis and Marco Pantani have spoken and crusaded for the cause of getting the drugs out of their sports. Yes they were on the avantgarde of drug free sport.

xfactor

Could it have been that the reason for Lance's retirement wasn't so much that he wanted to retire at the top of his game, but rather that it was becoming increasingly difficultf or him to beat the drug testing procedures that have been getting more precise? If Armstrong was racing against other cyclists who weren't doping and was able to beat them in 7 tours de France, what an awesome achievement. But we now know he was racing against professionals who were indeed doping and he beat them in 7 tours de France. How plausible is it that he was able to do this while being completely clean himself?? I mean really, wouldn't it be incredible enough to win 7 tours on a level playing field of professionals, but win 7 tours against professionals that were taking performance enhancing drugs? And not just winning, but crushing them? I was a huge Armstrong fan until I realized how prevalent doping is in the sport and now I have a very difficult time believing he could have crushed the doping competition in 7 tours de France, while being clean himself. Maybe he is a cycling god, but I no longer view him as that. Many of the professional cheats vehemently deny they dope...until they are caught. Hell, some deny it even after they are caught. It would be too devestating of a story to cancer victims to ever reveal drug usage by Armstrong.