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09-05.-2006, 07:05 AM
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Any agreement from the us would be worthless.They gave saddam hussein tacit agreement not to interfere when iraq invaded kuwait.Then,after the iraquis halted their chemical and biological weapons programme...the us invaded anyway. What a nest of vipers.
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09-05.-2006, 11:37 AM
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09-05.-2006, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by wolfix Wurm is not a liberal. Wurm is a man who projects his life's failures on the government. He sits around reading the conspirecy websites on the internet instead of taking charge of his own life. wolfix is a person who lives in a world of: de·lu·sion
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09-05.-2006, 01:30 PM
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Re: Israeli: Iran bought missiles from N.Korea
Israelis did it once...they can do it again
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09-05.-2006, 06:16 PM
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Attacking Israel's neighbours and screaming for the US's support in attacking their neighbours has not brought peace during last 58 years it has been tried. It is harder to make peace than kill your neighbours and it is also more dangerous in Israel. The last Israeli politician to try plan B (ie: make peace) was shot dead by a lunatic Jew who swore blind he was acting on god's behalf. Dangerous and Unstable, that would be Israel all right.
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10-05.-2006, 02:29 AM
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I can only guess Iraq was invaded in order that the U.S, could change the regime and then pull out of the Gulf. If you recall, after the first Gulf War, there were American troops still in Iraq to enforce the no-fly-zone.
Seems to me that 9/11 was mainly inspired by the the ongoing sanctions against Iraq and the fact the U.S. was still based in the area. That is what probably upset Islamic fundamentalists - the sanctions against Iraq. So, there you have it. A new stable regime in Iraq would have allowed Bush to pull out completely as there would be no need to enforce a no-fly-zone. Problem is it didn't work. Maybe it could have worked had it been planned better since there was a time Iraqis were glad to see S.H. gone. Quote:
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10-05.-2006, 02:37 AM
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Which kind of brings us back full circle to my old question.
How come you never criticize abuses of human rights in Iran? I happen to have some photos of people being hung in public in one of these Middle Eastern countries yet you never seem to speak out against it. You seem to constantly complain how bad the U.S. and Israel are but you never seem to balance the criticism against other regimes. The point was made by a journalist recently that the left-wing fringe in the U.K. has somehow allied itself with very conservative, theocratic regimes. I've yet to see a single protest held here against the death penalty in Iran or chopping off of hands in Saudi Arabia. Quote:
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10-05.-2006, 03:15 AM
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Some psychiatrist is going to be very busy as Wurm has also been recommended to see a shrink. We're all seeing shrinks these days.
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10-05.-2006, 08:23 AM
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Whose flag are we saluting here Carrera ?
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10-05.-2006, 10:04 PM
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I was pointing out you tend to direct your criticisms in one main direction. You've stated before you're an atheist but have you ever thought that Bin Laden can probably relate far more to Bush than to an atheist? Both of them believe in God and use this as a basis for violence and war.
I'm trying to point out that the Iranians clerics are actually a highly conservative, religious group who don't have anything in common with atheists or liberals. They have more in common with Bush and probably relate somehow to his use of violence in the name of a higher God. It's more of a case they don't agree. Prof Dawkin blamed the whole situation on authoritarian monotheism. He hinted that the old polytheistic societies were, in fact, more tolerant. Quote:
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10-05.-2006, 10:43 PM
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This will probably be lost on you - but I will try nonetheless. By advocating the line that you have done, throughout several threads, posters here have pointed out the numerous inconsistencies in that advocacy. I don't recall anyone here stating that Saudi Arabia, for example, is a paragon of virtue. You, by your advocacy of the utopian ideal that "West is best" by attacking Islamic regions, set out a flawed case.
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11-05.-2006, 12:25 AM
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I don't particularly care if Bush or Bin Laden have anything in common with me. I would consider it a big fat plus if I had nothing in common with either of them. You appear to advocate endorsing the least worst evil, that is not a compromise I have ever made (nor do I plan to). That is a losing proposition IMO.
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11-05.-2006, 06:07 AM
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Do you reckon there's an alternative to choosing a side? The way I see it is that Bush is clearly a cheat, a bit of a hypocrite and a swindler but is it in my interests to see the U.S.A. totally retreat from international politics? This is how many Europeans reason.
Somebody has to make these decisions (Iran, North Korea e.t.c.) What many Americans have pointed out with regard to the Brits is they don't seem to like it now some other country is making decisions they used to make in the past. The reality is America is now far more powerful than the U.K. and has the responsibility for global peace, whether they make a muck of it or not. Sometime later it may well be China who makes these decisions. Quote:
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11-05.-2006, 10:39 PM
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There always is. In the fight between Judea and the Roman Empire Jesus Christ didn't pick a side. Quote:
It is impossible for the US to "retreat from international politics". The majority of it's currency value is underpinned by foreigners. Quote:
No, they don't. That is a symptom of the the "We must do something" reactionary bullshit that you suffer from. Quote:
In which case they are deluding themselves. The real reason is that there is a genocidal religious fundamentalist maniac sitting on the worlds largest nuclear stockpile screaming that he will use them from the highest dung heap in the world. Quote:
Fuck that. *Everyone* has a responsibility for global peace, the words and actions of an individual affect people around them. You have full responsibility for the results of your words and actions. In your case you choose to parrot gobshites and then refuse to stand by what you say by providing evidence or answering questions and addressing arguments. Surrendering your decision making to bunch of politicians on the other side of the Atlantic is stark raving mad. I wouldn't trust an MP sitting next to me to represent my interests, let alone a world leader who is gung-ho on using nukes to stop nuke proliferation. G.W.Bush wouldn't piss on you or me if we were on fire, why the fuck would you do him a favour by surrendering your freedom of choice to him ?
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12-05.-2006, 06:58 AM
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"In the fight between Judea and the Roman Empire Jesus Christ didn't pick a side."
That's a pretty significant point. The Christian world was divided over that for centuries. Jesus was, in fact, a Jew from a Jewish family who recited the Jewish Torah - he was probably circumcised as well. Christians, Jews and Moslems don't agree over Jesus's persona, so to speak. "That is a symptom of the the "We must do something" reactionary bullshit that you suffer from." Did you ever see H. G. Well's Time Machine? The main character travels forward in time to find the people who live there have lost all their instinct to act towards their survival. A man falls in the water and begins to drown but none of his companions lifts a hand to help. However, the time traveller takes off his shirt, jumps in the water and goes into action. He saves the drowning man and then asks everyone else, "What's wrong?" This is where we differ, I think. You seem to believe everything will be rosy and it will all be O.K. How do you know Iran might not actually use a nuclear warhead, despite all those threats that have been made? Iran isn't like India or China but ruled by a deeply religious bunch of clerics who view Israel as a blot to be wiped off the map and the U.S. as a satanic Kingdom. These are not rational people. "The real reason is that there is a genocidal religious fundamentalist maniac sitting on the worlds largest nuclear stockpile screaming that he will use them from the highest dung heap in the world." America deserved better than Bush but do you think Clinton or Jesse Jackson would agree with you? Is Bush as bad as Hitler or Stalin? Isn't Bush really a case of a not-too-bright character who's manipulated by his military and bad apples such as Rumsfeld? "In your case you choose to parrot gobshites and then refuse to stand by what you say by providing evidence or answering questions and addressing arguments." Colorado Rider and others already pointed out you were allowed to make statements without quoting sources while I wasn't. When I try and make a response youy tend to cry "foul!". "G.W.Bush wouldn't piss on you or me if we were on fire, why the fuck would you do him a favour by surrendering your freedom of choice to him ?" A perfectly valid point. I don't support George Bush either - I think he was extremely bad for the U.S.A. I actually liked John Kerry and I guess Colin Powell would have been a far better alternative. I disagree with you that Bush is essentially evil - I just think he's very lacking in wisdom. Quote:
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