Will Iran get the bomb?

desert_RAT

So what is the "international opinion." Will they get the nuclear bomb? Or will the good ol' U S of A "do it again." And when I say do it again of course I mean save the world.

Or do you actually believe them when they say they just want to produce electricity?

stevebaby

Will they get the Bomb? Yes.
Should they have it? No.
Where did the technology to build it originate. One guess.
Was the Shah of Iran a democratic ruler elected by the people,or was he an american puppet? You answer.
Can the world control what a sovereign country like Iran decides to do with their nuclear resources. Not without difficulty.
Can the world control what a sovereign country like the united states decides to do with their nuclear resources.Not without difficulty.
Can the world control what a sovereign country like israel decides to do with their nuclear resources.Not without difficulty.
Can the world control sovereign countries like Pakistan or India who are both armed with nuclear weapons and have a history of armed conflict.No.
Does the united states use its nuclear capability solely for the production of electricity? No.
Why is it wrong for any other country to do exactly what the us does in regard to nuclear weapons?
If it is wrong for Iran to have nuclear weapons...why is it right for the us and other countries to have them?
When did the united states "save the world",and from what?Never,and from nothing.

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Carrera

Europe seems to be united and understands Iran with a nuclear weapon would be a threat as Iran is pretty unstable. But George Bush has essentially provoked the current crisis by radicalising Iranians through the present conduct in Iraq which is why Iranians voted in the extremists (they fear invasion).
Bush has also weakened the U.S. considerably by the conduct of many troops in Iraq and the total lack of regard or respect for human rights added to the lies told about WMD.
Americans will hopefully understand that the use of torture, rendition and ill-founded propaganda considerably weakened the U.S.'s standing around the globe. The problem is what the heck can be done about Iran after so many lies have been told over Iraq and all those photos of POW abuses have been published around the world?
Blair is equally to blame and his dangerous manipulation of the Iraq situation to help U.S. oil companies has put us all in danger or terrorism, rogue regimes and the like. It's a classic case of crying wolf and not being believed a second time round but, yes, I think Iran with a nuclear weapon would cause a huge international crisis - even the Russians could get tough over such a situation.

limerickman

Do you? I don't think you do.





Nazi Germany were in a position to build the bomb in 1943 - two years before your country did.




......and neither are you. Well read that is.

The Soviets/ANZACS/British/South Africans/French Resistance/USA beat Hitler.

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morelike hypocrisy.

limerickman

OK - time once again to enforce some rules here.

Your own people were convicted of torture :

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004...ain616921.shtml

As regards WMD in Iraq - there were none :

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3596033.stm

Moderator Role :

Now it seems to me that you're regurgitating a discussion that has been exhausted fully here.
I reckon that you're trolling again.

So let me make it clear to you - clean up your act or else.

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morelike hypocrisy.

darkboong

Trying proving it.

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darkboong

Aha, so you admit that you are confused about A-Bombs and WWII.

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Eldrack

Nazi Germany would have been defeated without military involvement from the USA. Russian forces would have advanced most of the way to coast of France, most likely.

The A-Bomb did not win the war. Due to the superior production capacity of the USA Japan would have been defeated without its use.

The defining moment of the pacific campaign was the battle of Midway. This, as agreed by hundreds of military analysts, was a 1 in a million chance win for the American forces. Any reasonable estimate would have had the Japanese forces decimate the Americans at this battle hence putting the Japanese in control of the pacific theater in naval terms. Fortunately the American forces where exceptionally lucky and through a series of highly improbable events disabled the main Japanese carrier fleet. Its a damn good thing it happened but theres no way it should have happened that way.

The only necessary US involvment in the western front was that of factory output/ financial aid. The war would have been won without US military involvement, however Europe would look very different today.

Edit: Do not even think to use "we". You had nothing to do with it. "They" would be a much more appropriate word to use. It is the sacrifice of men and women from many countries, not just America, who defeated Nazi Germany, something that you personally had absolutely nothing to do with. Be respectful of these people.

MountainPro

well said, i think we all need to stop riding on the backs of our grandfathers who died for thier country...

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MountainPro

who is this fucking idiot? gets all his info from watching hollywood movies then bleats on about people not reading enough books..

please take that gun you are always fondling and do us all a favour...

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stevebaby

Just another stereotypical "Ugly American",the kind who gives the others a bad name and is responsible for bringing the us into disrepute.

My experience of people is that anyone who is really good at anything,in any area of life usually has no need to tell others how good they are...others will tell them.Modesty is the mark of true self-confidence.
For all the boasting,I can't help but feel that it conceals a very deep insecurity about their own capabilities.
And they wonder why noone likes them...

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darkboong

Gee you are confused, you can't tell the difference between
Russians and Americans !

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limerickman

Then take your complaint up with the judge who convicted Graner and England - he ajudged them to have committed torture.




He didn't have WMD - Your secretary of state admitted that Saddam didn't have WMD.




Well how come no one has heard of this "report" that you refer to?

I'm sure the members here would like to view this "report" - that's if it exists.



What you've posted about WMD and torture is lies.
So save the lectures about the truth - until you start posting soemthing truthful.

Second - these issues have been discussed ad nauseum.
The subject has been debated to a conclusion.

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morelike hypocrisy.

Carrera

In my opinion, the time has come for Americans to choose whether they wish to be seen as supportive of human rights and opposed to all forms of torture or whether they wish to go down the same road as Chile under Pinochet or Spain under Franco. Myself, I believe the number of Americans who are disgusted over Guantanamo abuses or Iraq are prolific and they simply don't like the way Rumsfeld and co have damaged their country.
However, I should point out it's not only the U.S. I tend to criticize with regard to all of this as some other countries are also heading down a slippery slope.
One more point is, this isn't just a case of Iraqis being abused in prisons since many weeks ago I posted about Americans being subjected to abuse in Arizona - which included strapping people to chairs and drugging them e.t.c. I don't think torture or abuse should ever be condoned, no matter how low the terrorists may have sunk or what crimes they may have committed.
The sad truth is, politicians are having everything their own way. They are claiming they support democracy and human rights but, in reality, they ignore and disregard the peoples of the nations they govern and run countries like tin-pot dictatorships. They don't appear to respect the human rights of citizens within their own countries, let alone overseas. And they kid themselves that daft rules over hot cross buns and piggy banks will somehow convince us they're not racist in any way.
In my view, it would be a good thing if people got themselves a proper democracy and formed their own representation instead of being dictated to by a corrupt elite. Democracy means the sovereign rule of the people not fat cats such as Bush and Blair who couldn't give 2 hoots about the people in Louisiana.