Mail Condemns Guantanamo Abuses

limerickman

OK : I am going to cede to Eoin C, JH and CR in this instance.

My better judgement tells me that I shouldn't but it appears that there is a strong feeling that by removing Carerra this would be regarded as censorship.

In this instance I am prepared to give way.

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.."But finally the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in cycling, the cynics and the sceptics. I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. [I]I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. You should believe in these athletes, and you should believe in these people. I'll be a fan of the Tour de France for as long as I live. And there are no secrets" - this is a hard sporting event and hard work wins it - Armstrong 2005 TDF
morelike hypocrisy.

FredC

I don't think that any person is advocating censorship in totality. Ideas are figments or fragments and are free and open. DB, Lim, and I will take him to to task persistently on his ideas. The problem with Careera is that he fabricates scenarios and statements from us that were never posted in any way, shape , or form. This is done to make out to a forgetful audience that he is right ,and we are wrong. The reason for this is that he has never been able to substantiate a solid defence.
Well you lot sort out Noo York Wurm. I'm stayin with my Hillbilly Rednecks.

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The media is a self perpetuating publicity stunt.

Colorado Ryder

That is his right. Like EOINC said you can reply or ignore him.


The report stated shortcomings that if they were addressed perhaps the plot would have been averted. No where in the 9/11 Commission report does it state that Bush was COMPLICITE in 9/11. How can I expect you to say anything when you believe the same as Wurm?


No one had to show where he was lying. I have no problem letting the village idiot rave on.


You were perfectly content to let Wurm call other posters names until someone finally had to ask you to do your job.

limerickman

Hold on a second - it's not his right.

No one has any right to publish blatant lies and dress them up as fact.




The commission report appropriated blame to the organs of the US goverment.



You were unable to rebutt Wurms evidence :

But because people manage to rebutt Carerra's evidence, you claim that he is
entitled to repeat lies ad nauseum!

You're a joke.




If Wurm has called you a name - you tell me.
I told you last week that if you had a problem with a post to contact me,
didn't I?

Remember when you asked me to look at another post on your behalf, by private mail, last week?
Or do I need to publish the message that you sent to me last week so as to prove to everyone else here that I acted when you asked me to do so.

And by the way - what was the last sentence in my reply to you last week?
Oh yeah, I told you that i cannot be aware of the content of every single post throughout the site and that I am largely dependent upon members to tell me if there is something which may cause offence.
Remember??

Now if you don't like the way I do my job - you can leave here.
Otherwise, you just have to live with it.

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.."But finally the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in cycling, the cynics and the sceptics. I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. [I]I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. You should believe in these athletes, and you should believe in these people. I'll be a fan of the Tour de France for as long as I live. And there are no secrets" - this is a hard sporting event and hard work wins it - Armstrong 2005 TDF
morelike hypocrisy.

jhuskey

Come on down to the hoe down here in them hills. We-uns will drank some shine and piss on the "Bug whacker" jest for thrills.
Your welcome here in the Smokies anytime FC.

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Sobriety is over rated!

Carrera

Let's be fair, though. I'm not above admitting to mistakes when I make them and, sure, I know I have overstepped the mark occasionally - more through haste and carlessness I might add. And we're all guilty of that on occasions.
Seeing as this is a bloody rant part of the site, that's what I tend to do - let off steam. There are even times I might say something when in a pissy mood and then think, "Oops, maybe I came on a bit too strong or maybe I opened myself up to seeming a bit extreme."
The problem is, some of these political debates wind me up and next thing I know I'm ranting.

Carrera

Incidentally, I'm planning to go hunting with Dick Cheney in Spring as part of a health and safety shooting course.

Carrera

That's why writing for a publication is different - there is more time. Generally I do my first text on the P.C. and then switch everything off and take a break. After that, I re-read my text. At that point, I make alterations, check everything out and try and make sure my points are clear and not open to misinterpretation.
After that, it goes out to be published and appears in the paper 9 times out of 10.

stevebaby

Wear body armour and a helmet.
It would be safer to take him on a canal cruise.

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Drink!Feck!Arrse!Girls!
bastard

stevebaby

Agree.
We are all adults and can decide for ourselves the truth or falsity of anything posted here.

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FredC

A thank y' kindly for the renewed offer, it's always on my mind with great gratitute from you boys, and there it must rest. I'd love to go learning your land and hunting it, but helas, it's not a dream, it's an invitation.
Anyway Careera couldn't hit a cows ass with a banjo.
There are no locks on the doors, only dogs to stop people to pissing in the well.

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FredC

You have been asked time and time to retract factual fabrications. Now you make an excuse of an unconsidered 'rant' for your postings. You have never been known to retract a 'rant' no matter what the subject or topic. This type of intellectual mediocrity from your postings indicates a lack of reality.

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Carrera

Not quite. I admitted to a slip over the policewoman shooting when I referred to some Somalians who had been arrested as moslems (meaning from an Islamic country). The meaning was meant to convey the sense they were foreigners not that moslems are criminals.
If some people from Somalia had been arrested in the U.K. my assumption at the time was they would probably have been moslems (from an Islamic country) but the mistake on my part was to give the idea all moslems get involved in crime - not the idea I wished to convey. So, I admit I made a mistake and will go so far as to apologise for that mistake and retract what I said.
It's also an easy slip to talk about a struggle against Islam as opposed to the correct terminology "a struggle against extremist Islam" - which is totally different.
But having said all that, I have at least admitted to a mistake I made - nobody else has so far as I can recall. How about all those statements made, "Jews do this", or "Jews cause problems wherever they go!"? Which Jews? All of them, some of them or throughout history?
I'm not Jewish myself but how many Jewish cyclists could there be on the forum who feel very offended over such generalisations that would link Donald Rumsfeld, for example, with Albert Einstein and Heather Mills Mcartney who's devoted to animal welfare and opposes the trade in fur.

Carrera

Overall, you have to weight the successes against the slips. Like everyone I make slips but let's not forget the successes. I scored a lot of good points in the debate over Israel and even re-addressed Fred's point about Aramaic on the Classics Forum where we have some pretty clued-up researchers and archeologists as well as students from all over the globe.
Myself and Michael Grant were correct about the Aramaic question. One of the females dated Aramaic around 800 B.C. whereas I have it around 900 B.C. (but only spoken outside Israel).
We all agreed it didn't come to Israel somewhere around 400 B.C. when it became the main spoken language and brought about a few changes in the original Hebrew script.
I can't see Fred ever confessing he got it wrong on that point.