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racism



• noun 1 the belief that there are characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to each race. 2 discrimination against or antagonism towards other races.

specifically what race of people are being discriminated against?

being American doesnt define your race.

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wolfix

NASCAR... But don't worry about it, we discriminate towards NASCAR races here in America too.

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lyotard

due to the lack of exposure of dissent in the us in the form of protests and organization, along with unfamiliarity to alternative medias in the us by the corporate sponsored government censored mainstream media it is understandable that those outside the us would generalize that us citizens are of one mind regarding the bush regime policies and their negative consequences.

couple this with the lack of expressions of outrage by the majority of us citizens who oppose bush and it becomes more clear, this is anti american outlook is a deserved mindset to some extent...

we need to remind those who group americans as such that bush has never even acheived support of half the populus of the us, even though the appallingly weak showings that would express this oppostion of the majority
does not spell this out strongly in any sense.

the us also lacks a true two party system in any substantives sense, so it is looked upon easily as beholden to the leaders in all but a cosmetic manner...
we just need look to the overwhelming pro bush senate and congress votes to know thw substantive government of the us is truly of one mind, the rest is all pr campaign, lamely attempting to show an alternative to the voters.

it also needs to be realized the us citizen who opposes bush is looked upon as unpatriotic on many levels, with all things anti bush condemned as not remembering the trade center attacks, this has become a longtading focal point to exploit for these ends, but it is wearing thin as more current events the directly pertain to the us and it's welfare are being overlooked.

i think back to the uk invading the falklands, the us press at the time showed cheering flag waving throngs seeing the the warships off, i remember questioning at the time if this was the mindset of the nation or just an effort by the media to reflect a one sided picture of public opinion.

hpoefuly those outside the us will take some skepticism into regarding these issues as well.



[QUOTE=Scotty_Dog]Lyotard, I completely agree with the bulk of what you have stated above. Yes, even some of the anti-U.S. government/policy remarks.

However, my comments thus far are primarily based on Limerickman's obvious racism and discrimination towards U.S. citizens as a whole, separate from any political, govermental, or religious leanings. Again, simply because they are from the U.S.

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Hypnospin

just like being a cyclist does not make one a true cyclist?

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Scotty_Dog

You are half way there. Now look up race.

race
1) A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.
2) A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution.

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wolfix

There are many forms of media that show dissent, if there was dissent to be shown. There is no government censorship of dissent. It just is not something that occurs very often. And when it does, it is usually a few people hanging around chanting things.

I really doubt that the majority of citizens oppose Bush. He was elected twice. There is a small group of people who run around with outrage......But they would be running around with outrage no matter what was done by the government.

Bush was elected twice. His popularity dropped because of the cost of gas went on the increase. His popularity is on the rise again.

What others in the world need to understand is that lyotards views are that of a minority. There is no major dissent happening in this country other then in places where dissent is always happening. . ....The news media occasionally shows Cindy Sheehan with her "IT's a illegal and immoral war" chants ad a few liberals hugging her. The world needs to be reminded that Americans want to distance themselves from the 'Cindy Sheehans" of the world.

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FredC

That's trash. No American on Soapbox has ever accused me of racism. Go get him Rednecks. My observations are that American citizens are not told the truth by any part of the media.

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Hypnospin

reality alert, even the heavily engineered approval ratings have put bush at thirty some percent, the actual is in some cases lower.

you are a prime example of the impetus the world community capitalizes upon to generalize americans. when one cannot see past the shallow apathy shown by the squeaky clean flag waving images of the us public on this whore of a commercial media the big picture is overlooked, if not intentionaly denied.

the corporate media remains a cheerleader for the portrayal of the government and it's twisted misrepresentation of patriotism, what is given exposure must not offend the corporate consumerism sponsors and their government ties, it is at best self-censored due to these constraints...
your failure to realize or acknowlege this will make your resultant views somewhat understandable.

i sometimes tend to give those with your views the benefit of the doubt and want to believe their stances are all a put on to get attention, as it is hard to explain why some, seemingly aware in some regards, would be so lacking in the perception of reality when it comes to the image of the us on the global
level.


[QUOTE=wolfix]There are many forms of media that show dissent, if there was dissent to be shown.

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"The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present...As our case is new, so must we think anew and act anew"
Abraham Lincoln, in his address to congress dec. 1st, 1861

Scotty_Dog

Racism - I'll admit it's a harsh word, and it brings up very negative images. Yet it seems to be the most appropriate word in the context of Lim's quotes towards the people of a certain nationality. In that regard, I attempted to come up with a less heinous word and stumbled upon: stereotype.

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stereotype

• a fixed idea that people have about what someone or something is like, especially an idea that is wrong
• a preconceived and over-simplified idea of the characteristics which typify a person or thing

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Though the word stereotype might seem appropriate to some, the definitions direct it more toward an individual, not really a nationality as a whole. Nonetheless, Limerickman also feels as though the lesser offence of stereotyping is also worthy of an account suspension. Demonstrated on page 1 of this topic, albeit misspelled.

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"There is alot of blather here that does not float the hooey barge." boudreaux 11/22/2005

jhuskey

True, that is not racism,it can however be taken as an insult.
Fc,if I may correct you on one point, I am actually not a redneck in the purest sense.
Well,at least not on the surface.
I probably do meet the criteria to qualify as "good old boy". and yes there is a difference.
I know,I know, we all look alike to you.I may go into a detailed explaination sometime, when I have had enough alcoholic inspiration, and highlight the differences.

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Hypnospin

even i, somewhat to my surpise if not horror, have been introduced as a
"good ol' boy". go figure...

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"The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present...As our case is new, so must we think anew and act anew"
Abraham Lincoln, in his address to congress dec. 1st, 1861

limerickman

Here is what I stated :


"I have my doubts as to the validity of a lot of American views about what goes on in the rest of the world, Carerra.

Look at some of the posts about the Marshall Plan and Vietnam, just two instances, where factually incorrect information was given by American posters here.

I agree with Fred - they're ill equiped to discuss the Near/Middle East situation too"

I do not believe the above statement to be racist.

I expressed my reservations about American views, given that factually incorrect statements were made by Americans about the the Marshall Plan and the Vietnam war.

Perhaps I should have qualified it by saying :

"given that factually incorrect statements were made in the soapbox by Americans about the Marshall Plan and the Vietnam war."

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morelike hypocrisy.

jhuskey

No a bad thing to be.

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limerickman

"is good ole boy" a derogatory term?

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.."But finally the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in cycling, the cynics and the sceptics. I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. [I]I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. You should believe in these athletes, and you should believe in these people. I'll be a fan of the Tour de France for as long as I live. And there are no secrets" - this is a hard sporting event and hard work wins it - Armstrong 2005 TDF
morelike hypocrisy.