It's killing me but..........

jsirabella

This is really not the point I am trying to make here...Believe it or not I want Tyson's number to be real and I think if we just continue the way we are going here it is not fair to us and not fair to Tyson. Let me explain...

1) Tyson wants this thread to be "inspirational" and tell people that they can reach goals much further than they can imagine. Great. Wonderful goal! But throughout this whole thread there has never been one shred of proof shown of any of the watts stated. After a while this can not be good because people will begin to doubt and loose faith which is the exact opposite of what he wants. In fact many will start to look at his posts and say "There goes that old man again with his silly claims." Than just humor him and say "Great job"...snicker, snicker. This is not fair to Tyson and he deserves better since he is working so hard for it.

2) At this point for this thread and honestly when he did his 300 watt hour to be "inspirational" needs to have some proof. Everyone here is very technical about the science of Cycle Training and in any experiment without any proof what is it worth. I ask would Dr. Coggan publish this in his next book? Would you put it in your book, based upon a series of posts on the internet? We have a 67 year old man who went from 140 watts to 300 watts and probably a bit higher (I will forget the 400 watts for now). Is there any better proof in the world that power training works? I know 67 year old men in my gym who could not do 80 watts for a 1/2 hour or even walk around the block.

When I say I want him to make me look like an A$$, I really want him to. I would even change my login to js_the_asshole just to make it worth his while but instead he gets hostile. I want to put this to rest once and for all and for me that means just some proof.

I am not here to argue to importance of FTP, nor the accuracy of the CT...I am a simple guy and I will believe what I can see. While I do not speak for someone like Pen, I believe he just wants a bit of proof so we can be inspired.

-js

Honestly I thought he would be sleeping and not checking this thread the morning of the ride. If his only goal was to do well in Lake Biwa..I hope he did well whatever his FTP is. Maybe he could post the results of the race...like I said "anything".

wiredued

When SOT figures out how to use his CT I'm sure the numbers will be believable enough so you won't need it noterized. I'm glad this happened because I learned something about CTs I didn't know before.

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jsirabella

You know I just saw Nick and Norah Ultimate Playlist and it reminded me of what I was like when I was young and some great nights. You know if I could tell myself of 20 years ago about this guy who is worried about training and watts, that guy would call me a dick and go get laid.

You are right I am taking this way too seriously. Great Movie BTW...I need stuff like that to bring me back down to earth.

As he/me would say BE FREE...

If it sounds nuts...just pass by this post.

-js

curlew

I can't wait for this year's report on "The battle of Lake Biwa."

I hope "The Smoker" is in this episode!!

Waiting..................

Curlew

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swampy1970

Speaking of "it's killing me...." I actually did my first training ride in a long time on the trainer (the last time I was on the trainer, apart from my "test" the other night, was sometime in March/April) - which is almost 6 months.

This was the first time that I had the Powertap and Powercranks in use together. Observations:

First 20 minutes - keeping 250watts was pretty easy. Way easier than I thought although it was getting a little tough on the inside of the thighs and psoas...

Second 20 minutes - mental fortitued and suffering required. Hip flexors on fire. I was feeling it... really feeling it. Could hold 220 to 230 watts. Aerobically fine.

Third 20 minutes - did someone slice me open from my groin and down the inside of my thighs. Dear God... Aerobically fine. I could hold form but my hip flexors had given up... Some 'stumbling' of pedal action over top dead center. Required a couple of 15 seconds stops to stand up and relax. The pedaling 'fluidity' was mostly still there despite the pain.

What was nice was that all the technique that I'd "leaned" for the Powercranks had remained. It felt like I'd retained it somewhat during the test the other night when I had them in fixed mode but I wasn't sure.

I should be able to look back at this post in a few weeks and laugh... but right now I'm walking around like the Doc just gave me a prostate exam.

Speaking of possibily a literal "It's killing me" - I'm getting the parts I need to fix the leaky exhaust and a replacement fuel filter for my Miata (MX-5) tommorrow so I don't have to endure the noxious miasma that's been entering the passenger compartment for God knows how long (maybe since I got the car in November) - adding fuel injector cleaner can really help pinpoint problems with your car in more ways that one. LOL

dhk2

+1 waiting for the recap on Lake Biwa, or just a quick post to say "I made it". Getting a bit concerned as the days go by; sure hope Tyson didn't crash and hurt himself.

Pendejo

Well, keep in mind that this is the "It's Killing Me" thread. Do you think??

wiredued

The suspense It's killing me but...

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swampy1970

He didn't crash - he escaped the protection of the bunch and was eaten by Godzilla on the last climb. That'll teach him for getting too fit.

BILLYHOLMES

Nice one JS, you just killed the "It's killing me but.........." thread, "Way to go" as you Americans say, "High five"...............

Felt_Rider

In fairness to JS and perhaps I may be the only one that understood what he was asking is just something showing data. Almost everyone here that talks the power game can post data.

I suppose I am much like JS.
I also post my ride data (as embarassing as it is) on each of my road rides on my blog and I have a link on my blog to almost all my Motionbased ride data since 2006.

I don't think JS is necessarily trying to ruin his credibility, but if SOT were to add his data once in a while it would greatly enhance his postings even more.

Like JS stated maybe SOT will come back and add his latest ride information and story of how things went and this thread will continue.
And if SOT doesn't add data that is up to him despite there being skeptics there will be many fans that will continue to enjoy the thread.

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strader

Unusual way for this thread to end, but it's Tyson's choice whether he wants to come back or not. I wouldn't place blame on JS or Pendejo. When someone is posting wattage numbers higher than a TdF domestique who's half his age and carrying several times the training load, it's just a matter of time before someone throws down the gauntlet.

I personally beleive he's telling the truth, but has something off in his computrainer setup (i.e. too low of wheel speed, or not enough warmup time). I also beleive that once he gets it figured out his numbers will still be really high (but not absurdly, unrealistically high).

Porkyboy

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Wouldn't an FTP of 400W practically guarantee a rider the World masters hour record? That's what I've read in several places. Must admit I've not read all this thread, but then who has? I know if I thought I had an FTP like that I'd be arranging a record attempt, but I haven't.

PBUK

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kopride

Wow, I leave you kids alone for a few weeks and everthing goes to hell. Like JS, I was with SOT all the way to 300, but I have found advances of 10% per year for a fit well trained cyclist, beyond the intial bump I and others got when I bought my PM, to be very dificult to obtain and really hard to believe. So even a 330 would be pretty impressive for a fit middle aged rider, and a gain of 30% for a 60something person given where he started is pretty incredible. As for posting data, I did accept JS's invite to ride a CT session this summer and he will have to vouch that I am in fact a middle aged weekend warrior with a FTP very close to what I claim to be my well down the chart FTP. I have been pretty pressed at work over the past month or so, so I probably have not seen any real advances for months.

And yes, it as painful as it was, it was time, as they say in poker to "call" our friend Tyson. When I called out some young stud this summer, he did rise to the occasion and posted numbers. Tyson, I hope you show JS and the others to be grouchy skeptics. But they did lay down the guantlet and it would truly be inspirational if you could verify it in some way.

As an aside, as a trial lawyer, I do spend a great deal of time trying to wade through various claims. Here is a list of things that males almost always lie about in litigation, under oath, and which are relatively inconsequental to the outcome of the case. 1) military service-nature and extent; 2) pre accident income; 3) educational background, degrees and school; 4) frequency of sexual relations; 5) school participation in sports/awards prizes etc. 6) weight before the accident. Also. personal injury litigants always deny or understate prior medical history. The whole military related lies are the most pervasive and puzzling. For example, males of Vietnam era age more than frequently claim that they served in some sort of combat in Vietnam. You get their service records and most times they were nowhere near Vietnam. Younger males often claim that they served in some elite branch, Navy Seals, Delta Force, etc, but the records usually show some pedestrian type of service; and when confronted then they claim that their actual sevice is classified. Every male was a state champ and graduated from harvard.

I would say the ratio of BS to truth ratio is 10-1. In many cases, these guys really start to believe their own BS, and will insist, even when confronted with irrefutable records that their personal version is true. It is strange. In PI cases, the spouse often states a "loss of consortium" claim. As a married fairly fit man, there is nothing funnier to me than when a 325 pound diabetic 50 year old man with multiple medical problems tells me that they had sex with their wife of 15 years (an equally healthy physical example of the species) 5-7 days per week before the accident but now that they are lucky if they have sex once per week. Then you get the medical records which reveal the long history of ED, and you wonder how anything can even protrude beyond their stomach. Again, other than a few romances as a healthy 18-20 year old in college, early in the relationship, I would be hard to find a period of my life where I was having sex 5-7 days per week, but this is what they claim. After ten years of marriage, I must confess that frequency has dropped a bit lower than my 50 year old diabetic friend and I don't need to take viagra.

So, perhaps Tyson's story is part of that trend. Or, maybe their really is a large population of morbidly obese diabitics that suffer from ED that are getting it on like college kids?